Could a God Change the Value of Pi?

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The discussion centers on the assertion that an omnipotent creator cannot change the value of Pi, suggesting that certain mathematical truths are immutable and exist independently of a creator. It argues that while a deity could alter physical realities or perceptions, the fundamental laws of mathematics and logic are transcendent and cannot be changed. The conversation also touches on the implications of defining God and the limitations of divine power concerning abstract concepts. Participants debate whether mathematics itself could be considered a form of divinity, existing outside of time and space, and whether the existence of such immutable laws undermines the concept of omnipotence. Ultimately, the dialogue raises profound questions about the nature of reality, the divine, and the foundational truths of mathematics.
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humanino said:
It does not matter that kids have no clue what a differential equation is, and it does not make them impossible if nobody knew about them. They are a logical construction, ready to be discovered by anybody willing to look at them.

We don't know why these logical constructions, which are not invented by humans, but are already waiting to be discovered by humans, exist. So to me it seems possible, that the logical constructions, which are only waiting to be discovered, could also be different, or work differently. I don't believe we have any tools available to prove the opposite.
 
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jostpuur said:
I didn't get clear to me if there was misunderstanding between us, but to me it seems we were annoyed by the same thing. Your original post deals with a genuine philosophical question, and then people come in posting simple truths like "yes" or "no" in a hope, that they would make the problem seem easy and already solved.
Precisely right, jostpour.

Evo, you seem to be one of the aforementioned people. Do what you want, it's your forum, but don't act like you're doing me any favors by keeping a thread open which - contrary to your implication - adheres to your guidelines.
 
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jostpuur said:
That is not obvious. The real question is that could God create a universe where circles existed, and where pi had a different value. This is the difficult question, which I believe is little bit too difficult for humans, but which is suitable for a topic of a philosophical discussion.
That has already been answered as no.

See humanino's post below as an example of what is correct.

humanino said:
Still wrong. Mathematical theorems are true and period. If we have one thing on this Earth we know is true, it's mathematical theorems !

IF A THEN B

It might appear to us later that A is unnecessary. But

IF A THEN B

remains true. Even if A is false.

Any further speculation is overly speculative and without sound science, which violates the guidelines.

I've given the thread numerous chances to either ponder if a supernatural diety could create a universe where the OP's question might work, but no one offered an example of one and in this Universe, the anser is no.
 
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