Could another atom be used as the standard for amu?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of using another atom as the standard for the atomic mass unit (amu), currently defined by the carbon-12 atom. Participants explore the implications and methods of changing the standard, as well as historical context regarding previous standards.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that carbon-12 is currently the standard for the atomic mass scale and questions whether another atom could serve this purpose.
  • Another participant suggests that lithium-7 could be used as a new standard, proposing to define its mass as exactly 7.0000 amu, with other atomic masses adjusted accordingly.
  • There is a discussion about the precision of the definition, with one participant humorously noting the arbitrary choice of zeros in the proposed mass definition.
  • A historical perspective is provided, mentioning that oxygen-16 was used as a standard before the shift to carbon-12, highlighting the evolution of the atomic mass unit concept.
  • One participant emphasizes the practical qualities that a standard atom should possess, such as availability, safety, and cost-effectiveness, noting that carbon-12 meets these criteria.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of changing the standard atom for amu. While some propose alternatives, others highlight the historical context and practical considerations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the availability and properties of alternative atoms, as well as the historical context of the atomic mass unit, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

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The atom that is used as the standard for the atomic mass scale is the Carbon atom with an atomic number of 6 and a mass number of 12 and this carbon atom is equal to 12 unified atomic mass units. Could another atom be used as the standard, and if so, how would this be accomplished??
 
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This sounds like homework. What is your opinion on the question?
 
Sure, any atom could be used. Suppose you wanted to use Lithium 7. Define the mass as exactly 7.0000 amu and then all the other atomic masses get adjusted accordingly.
 
Is there a reason you used four zeros?
 
Tonia said:
Is there a reason you used four zeros?

Because I was too lazy to type 1000 zeros. Exactly 7.00000000000000000000000000 by definition is exact to whatever precision you like.
 
Tonia said:
The atom that is used as the standard for the atomic mass scale is the Carbon atom with an atomic number of 6 and a mass number of 12 and this carbon atom is equal to 12 unified atomic mass units. Could another atom be used as the standard, and if so, how would this be accomplished??
Another atom has been used, before the standard was changed to carbon-12. This atom was oxygen, or more specifically, oxygen-16.

The atomic mass unit concept was developed before it was discovered that the chemical elements have various isotopes. Prior to 1929, it was though that oxygen had only one isotope, oxygen-16, which comprises more than 99% of the oxygen found on earth. In 1961, the standard mass unit was changed to carbon-12, which was selected because it would cause the least disruption in measurements already made based on the atomic weight of oxygen-16.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_mass_unit
 
You would want the other atom to be readily available, safe to handle, inexpensive, relatively easy to purify, and other convenient qualities. Gee, C-12 meets the criteria! Are you just curious, or do you think there is a problem needing fixing?
 

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