Extremely hydrogenated carbon compounds

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the theoretical exploration of ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds as potential chemical rocket fuels, specifically those with a carbon to hydrogen atom ratio of 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, and 1/8. Participants are interested in the heating values and stability of these compounds, as well as their feasibility for practical use in rocket propulsion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Jim, inquires about the heating values of ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds and their stability, noting the heating values of methane and diatomic hydrogen.
  • Another participant asserts that the compounds in question are unstable and do not exist for more than a tiny fraction of a second.
  • A different participant recommends consulting a specific book on liquid rocket fuels, suggesting it contains extensive information on various fuel combinations and the history of research in this area.
  • Several participants express enthusiasm for the recommended book, highlighting its informative content and portrayal of scientific processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the instability of the ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds, but there is no consensus on their potential utility or the specifics of their heating values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical applications of these compounds.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the existence and stability of the proposed compounds, as well as the dependence on specific chemical production methods that may not support their practical use.

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I am interested in prospects for extremely hydrogenated carbon compounds as rocket fuels.
I am doing some theoretical free-lance work on prospects of chemical rocket fuels with unusually high heating values and specific impulses.
One of my latest interests is prospects for using fuels with molecules made of one carbon atom and 5 or more hydrogen atoms. Specific examples I am interested in are compounds of one carbon atom and 5, 6, 7, or 8 hydrogen atoms.

I am aware of methane which consists of one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms and how the heating value of this compound is on the order of 60 megajoules per kilogram while diatomic hydrogen has an upper heating value on the order of 160 megajoules per kilogram.

I was curious if anyone can provide me estimates of heating values of any possible ultra-hydrogenated carbon compounds with a carbon to hydrogen atom ratio of 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, and 1/8. Also, if such compounds ordinarily are too unstable and short lived to be useful according to contemporary chemical production methods, that would be good to know also.

Thanks;

Jim
 
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The compounds in question are unstable and do not exist for more than a tiny fraction of a second.
 
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If you intend to do work on this subject, I would strongly suggest you look at a basic liquid fuel book, like "Ignition!, an Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants", by John Drury Clark, which has been recently re-published. The list of "stuff" that has been burned in unusual combinations is pretty extensive. It may give you some new directions to look toward, if you haven't already read it or are otherwise familiar with the content.

There is a ton of information in there about the different tracks that were taken and what was learned, and in many cases, why research in that area was stopped. There is also some research that is left to the future. The final conclusion is a little dated, however.

This book is basic, but requires some chemistry background for good perspective. For new propellants, I'd concentrate on materials that can actually be produced in quantity that are stable for useful storage.
 
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A million times yes! This book is such a gem, both for its info and for the painfully and hilariously accurate portrayal of how professional science is actually done.
 
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