Could Apophis Change Earth's Future in 2036?

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The discussion revolves around the potential impact of the asteroid Apophis on Earth in 2036, focusing on the feasibility of altering its orbit and the implications of its trajectory. Participants explore various methods of deflection, the asteroid's characteristics, and the historical context of its risk assessment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants speculate on the possibility of changing Apophis's orbit and whether it is feasible to rendezvous with the asteroid.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of methods proposed for altering Apophis's path, such as nuclear weapons, rockets, and gravitational redirection, with some participants suggesting these methods may not work.
  • One participant notes that Apophis travels at an average orbital velocity of ~30 km/s and has a mass of about 10^10 kg, making it challenging to move.
  • Another participant contradicts earlier claims by stating that a reflective sheet could deflect Apophis significantly, referencing a source that suggests this method is viable.
  • Questions are posed about the feasibility of landing on Apophis to place reflective sheets, with a distinction made between matching speeds and the difficulty of landing.
  • There is a discussion about the risk assessment of Apophis, with conflicting interpretations of its chances of collision and its Torino scale rating over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood of Apophis impacting Earth and the effectiveness of proposed deflection methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to alter its trajectory or the accuracy of risk assessments.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources and calculations regarding Apophis's risk and potential deflection strategies, but there are unresolved discrepancies in the reported probabilities of collision and the practicality of suggested methods.

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I would like to hear speculation about Apophis and its possible impact with the Earth in 2036. I am particularly interested in whether earthlings can change the orbit of Apophis if we need to. Is it possible to rendezvous with an incoming asteroid? How fast is this asteroid traveling?
 
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I don't mean to completely discredit apophis but I thought that it was deemed that apophis had a 1/12 million chance of catching the "gravitational keyhole" in 2029 that would set up a collision, thus rendering it a 0 on the Torino scale. I do remember roughly two years ago this seemed to be a hot topic. I think apophis was a 4 on the Torino scale at one point, for what it's worth.

this website seems to be a credible source, and is a pretty interesting read

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/
 
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As far as altering the path of apophis, assuming an initial impact trajectory, it is very difficult. All the methods I've heard described (nuclear weapons, attachment of rockets, gravitational redirection) are either impractical or simply do not work. Looks like apophis has an average orbital velocity of ~30km/s, coupled with a mass of about 10^10kg, the thing is damn hard to move.

Edit: Ignore this in light of what Hurkyl pointed out. Didn't read the above article.
 
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Nabeshin said:
As far as altering the path of apophis, assuming an initial impact trajectory, it is very difficult. All the methods I've heard described (nuclear weapons, attachment of rockets, gravitational redirection) are either impractical or simply do not work. Looks like apophis has an average orbital velocity of ~30km/s, coupled with a mass of about 10^10kg, the thing is damn hard to move.
This directly contradicts the link given by the previous poster, which states that simply placing an 8 kilogram, 17,000 square foot reflective "sheet" on the asteroid would be enough to deflect it over 4000 miles.
 
At 30 km/s, is it possible to land on Apophis and place reflective sheets there?
 
Oscar Wilde said:
I don't mean to completely discredit apophis but I thought that it was deemed that apophis had a 1/12 million chance of catching the "gravitational keyhole" in 2029 that would set up a collision, thus rendering it a 0 on the Torino scale. I do remember roughly two years ago this seemed to be a hot topic. I think apophis was a 4 on the Torino scale at one point, for what it's worth.

this website seems to be a credible source, and is a pretty interesting read

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/

Your own source says "less than 1 in 45,000," which is many orders of magnitude more likely than "1/12 million."
 
anthromom said:
At 30 km/s, is it possible to land on Apophis and place reflective sheets there?
Once you have matched speeds with it, its (relative) speed is 0. That has nothing to do with how difficult it is to land on it.
 
Jack21222 said:
Your own source says "less than 1 in 45,000," which is many orders of magnitude more likely than "1/12 million."


Glad you read it. Thanks for pointing that out...
 

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