Could Black Holes Be Tears in Space?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of black holes potentially being "tears" in space, exploring theoretical implications and connections to other phenomena such as white holes and the nature of the universe. Participants express various ideas and questions related to the nature of black holes, their relationship to time, and speculative models of the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Speculative reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a black hole could be a tear in space, allowing for travel to different locations, depending on the shape of space.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of white holes as a theoretical counterpart to black holes, noting that none have been observed.
  • Some participants propose that the visible universe might be a black hole when viewed externally and a white hole when viewed internally, suggesting a symmetry in these concepts.
  • There are speculations about the universe being within another universe, with black holes potentially playing a role in the birth of our universe from another star's death.
  • Concerns are raised about the speculative nature of the discussion, with reminders that overly speculative posts may not align with forum guidelines.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of time in understanding black holes, suggesting that time cannot be separated from the discussion of black holes.
  • Another participant draws parallels between atoms and white holes, suggesting that the probability of falling into an atom is low, similar to the characteristics of white holes.
  • There are discussions about the early universe, inflation, and the nature of space-time, with references to gravity potentially being repulsive during that time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of speculative ideas and hypotheses, with no clear consensus reached on the nature of black holes or their implications. The discussion remains largely unresolved, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the speculative nature of their claims and the need for caution in discussing ideas that may not be widely accepted or supported by current research.

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First post. Please be gentle. I`m not a scientist, i`m actually a 3D Artist. I just have a lot of faith in science unfortunately didn`t have the attention span to pay attention enough in high school and even more tragic is that my university didn`t offer any science courses!

I was hoping it would be alright if I came to the Physics Forums with questions or ideas for scientific disapproval or consideration.

Questions such as this one:

Could it be possible that a Black Hole is a tear in space? It seems like it could be a way of explaining why some say you could travel through a black hole or worm hole and wind up somewhere else. If space itself was really in a shape we couldn't comprehend then maybe a tear in one place could wind up opening in an entirely different place. Does that make sense?

Thanks for listening. I appreciate it.
 
Space news on Phys.org
Wikipedia handles this quite well
 
White holes are the short answer. It is a theoretical solution to certain types of black holes. None have been observed to date.
 
I have often confabulated that our visible
universe is a black hole when observed from
the outside. How about the concept that the
visible universe is a white hole when observed
from the inside?...a form of symmetry.
 
I have often confabulated that our visible
universe is a black hole when observed from
the outside. How about the concept that the
visible universe is a white hole when observed
from the inside?...a form of symmetry.

How about an atom is a white hole we do observe from the outside? :bugeye:
 
petm1 said:
How about an atom is a white hole we do observe from the outside? :bugeye:

I think "beating a dead horse" must be against PF guidelines...grin, grin
 
ClamShell said:
I have often confabulated that our visible
universe is a black hole when observed from
the outside. How about the concept that the
visible universe is a white hole when observed
from the inside?...a form of symmetry.

So our visible universe could be within another universe? Sucking everything into it? Not even light can escape... maybe that could be what powers our universe to grow. Imagine if a star died in another universe and that's how our universe was born.
 
sorad said:
So our visible universe could be within another universe? Sucking everything into it? Not even light can escape... maybe that could be what powers our universe to grow. Imagine if a star died in another universe and that's how our universe was born.

It's up to you, what you think a black hole is. It's a prediction that
could be false, and mere substantiation via indirect evidence is not
proof.
 
ClamShell said:
I think "beating a dead horse" must be against PF guidelines...grin, grin

Thanks for the reminder, I should find something else to do with my time. :rolleyes:
 
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I would remind you all that overly-speculative posts are forbidden by PF rules.

It's one thing to talk about areas of active reseach and currently-published theories; quite another to start supposing and maybe-ing for yourself.
 
  • #11
petm1 said:
Thanks for the reminder, I should find something else to do with my time. :rolleyes:

PF is the very best place to come if you are "fine tuning" ideas
that you write about at your website(s). If you do not have a
personal website, then you MUST take the time to get(write)
one...time well spent.

If you do have a website and are "fine tuning" its ideas, then
PF is almost better time spent. Really, PF is quite amazing.

I think we both agree that PF is not a place to advertise your
website or its conclusions. And sarcasm (grin, grin), doesn't
seem to work anywhere. We all need reality checks.
 
  • #12
I am full of questions, almost all of them concern time, this question "Black Holes are Tears in Space" leaves time out and I don't think you can explain a black hole without it. My question was about fitting a black and white "whole" into my world view in time. :wink:
 
  • #13
petm1 said:
How about an atom is a white hole we do observe from the outside? :bugeye:

I really think this is a good question because an atom does fit one
of the qualities of a white hole (wiki), in that the probability of
"falling into" one would be very, very low. Also, photons seem
never to fall into atoms...as a photon is re-emitted as a
spectrum of photons in short order, back to us.

Perhaps your concerns about "time" should be qualified by the
belief that space and time are the same and should(can) not be
separated conceptually (cosmological principle). Are clocks the
same as time...are meter-sticks the same as space? Perhaps
clocks and meter-sticks are just "detectors" of space-time?
 
  • #14
I really think this is a good question because an atom does fit one
of the qualities of a white hole (wiki), in that the probability of
"falling into" one would be very, very low. Also, photons seem
never to fall into atoms...as a photon is re-emitted as a
spectrum of photons in short order, back to us.


Think of the white hole as the little twist we call big bang, after about 380,000 light years it became unstable and broke apart into our massive point particles. One whole particle breaking up into billions of juxtapositions each dilating outwards. Inflation looks to me like the creation of space or the time between these particles. I read once about gravity being repulsive in the early universe, Do you "think" this could have been that "time"?
 
  • #15
petm1 said:
Think of the white hole as the little twist we call big bang, after about 380,000 light years it became unstable and broke apart into our massive point particles. One whole particle breaking up into billions of juxtapositions each dilating outwards. Inflation looks to me like the creation of space or the time between these particles. I read once about gravity being repulsive in the early universe, Do you "think" this could have been that "time"?

I can only think of space-time between particles. The hypotenuse of a right triangle
with distance being one leg and c * time * i being the other leg where i is the
square root of negative one. IE, time being on an imaginary orthogonal axis with
scale factor being c. With the black hole, wormhole, white hole particle being
a construct to help distribute mass particles more evenly. You might enjoy following
the thread "What's behind the event horizon?" in cosmology...and please join if
you have questions.
 

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