Could Proton Microscopes Revolutionize Imaging with Their Smaller Wavelength?

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The discussion revolves around the potential of using proton or neutron microscopes for imaging, comparing their effectiveness to that of electron microscopes. Participants explore the implications of wavelength size on imaging capabilities, focusing on theoretical and practical aspects of different particle types in microscopy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that protons, having a smaller wavelength than electrons, could be used for microscopy.
  • Another participant counters that the effectiveness of a probe's wavelength must align with the dimensions of the system being studied, and mentions practical challenges in producing protons compared to electrons.
  • A different viewpoint proposes the use of alpha particles instead of protons, although this is met with skepticism regarding their suitability due to their greater mass.
  • Some participants argue that using heavier particles might improve focusing capabilities and object distinction.
  • One participant notes the challenges in designing ion microscopes compared to electron microscopes, but mentions recent advancements leading to the development of a scanning helium ion microscope.
  • Links to articles about the advancements in ion microscopy are shared for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the feasibility and effectiveness of using protons or alpha particles in microscopy. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the practicality of these alternatives compared to electron microscopy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations, including the challenges of producing certain particles and the design complexities of ion microscopes. The discussion also reflects a dependence on the specific applications and characteristics of the systems being imaged.

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if the reason electron microscopes work so effectively is because of the electrons small wavelength, why not use a proton (or neutron) microscope instead? a proton's wavelength is about 10,000 times smaller than an electrons...
 
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In general the characteristic wavelength of the probe one uses has to be of the order of the characteristic dimensions of the system. There's a bunch of other reasons too like that electrons are much easier to produce and so on.
 
well then forget protons, you could use alpha particles.
 
What use would that be? Alphas are even more massive and therefore even less suitable for the study of matter at the length scale electron microscopes probe.
 
but we would be able to focus better, to distinguish two objects from each other better.
 
michael879 said:
but we would be able to focus better, to distinguish two objects from each other better.

You are absolutly correct Michael. The problem is that an ion microscope is much harder to design than the electron microscope but these hurdles have recently been overcome and you can expect to see the worlds first scanning helium ion microscope sometime in June 06. I have seen the prototype in operation and the improvement over the SEM is amazing. It's not just the resolution that's impressive it's the material contrast. For more info check out the following articles.

http://www.eet.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=165700941"

http://www.aliscorporation.com/"
 
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Thanks for those links kawikdx225
 

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