How to explain the nuclear radius of Uranium 238 using QM

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This discussion focuses on determining the nuclear charge radius of Uranium 238 using quantum mechanics (QM) and Coulomb energy differences. It highlights the challenges in accurately calculating the Coulomb energy for Uranium 238 due to its complex nuclear structure. The conversation emphasizes that while methods exist to estimate nuclear radii, such as minimizing total nuclear energy, these are approximations and require numerical simulations for improved accuracy. The discussion also critiques existing literature, particularly Krane's work, for not adequately addressing the specifics of Uranium 238's nuclear radius.

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I am studying how to determine the nuclear charge radius from direct measurement of the Coulomb energy differences of nuclei.

My book says that there is strong evidence which suggests that the nuclear force does not distinguish between protons and neutrons. Thus changing a proton into a neutron should not affect the nuclear energy of the system; only the Coulomb energy should change. Besides, it works out an easy example; transition from He to H; the energy difference between He and H is thus a measure of the Coulomb energy of the second proton, and the usual formula for the Coulomb repulsion energy can be used to calculate the distance between the protons and thus the size of the nucleus.

Then presents the difficulties of working with Uranium 238; 'in general it is not possible to calculate this effect to sufficient accuracy to be able to extract the Coulomb energy'. But then it starts focus on mirror nuclei pairs;

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As you can see it derived a formula for energy differences on mirror nuclei but forgot about U; how could we explain the nature of the nuclear radius of Uranium 238 if we cannot do so by Coulomb's law?
I would like to discuss it using quantum mechanics.
 

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There are many methods to determine the radius of a nucleus. Tritium vs. helium-3 is a rare case where you can calculate the radius just from the decay energy, but it doesn't "explain the nature of the nuclear radius", it just gives you a way to measure the radius for two nuclei.

You can calculate the nuclear radius that minimizes the total energy of the nucleus. That is complicated and it is only an approximation because nuclei don't have sharp borders. If you want to get a better estimate you'll need numerical simulations and effective models.
 
Both you and Krane say that in general it is not possible to calculate this effect to sufficient accuracy to be able to extract the Coulomb energy.

But, as you can read, Krane does not get into how determine Uranium 238 radius: 'The situation is resolved if we choose a case in which no change of orbital is involved...' (which is not the Uranium's case).

mfb said:
You can calculate the nuclear radius that minimizes the total energy of the nucleus. That is complicated and it is only an approximation because nuclei don't have sharp borders. If you want to get a better estimate you'll need numerical simulations and effective models.

OK. May you tell how would you try to measure it with more details?
 

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