Could the Vatican's Exploration of Alien Life Impact Religious Beliefs?

[shamrock5585]

Some of the posters here are ridiculing aspects of religion by posing questions that could be answered by a quick skim through several books on the topic.

There HAVE been great religous thinkers, Contemporary as well as historical. Go read some of their works. Find something that isn't preachy. If you claim you can't, you aren't looking very hard.

Try C.S. Lewis, you know, the Narnia dude. His non-fiction discussions of ethics and beliefs, and many other topics are amazing. You won't be stunting your intellectual devolopment by reading his works.

If your "search for the truth" doesn't include even a cursory glance at the opposing point of view, your search isn't a search, it's a crusade.

like i said... you have posted nothing of any use... I am going to quote my original post and you can point out how my science and religion background is skewed instead of just putting down some bullgarbage that a book or two might be able to

i find religion to be a blanket over the eyes of society... it is based on no logic at all... all our beliefs, traditions, and customs have changed drastically in the past 100 years and we are constantly learning every day... so why does it make sense to follow blindly the beliefs of humans of over 2000 years ago which is based on no logic or science...

religion is good in a sense to ignorant people because some deranged people need guidlines to go by... I, myself see that i am an ethical person because i believe in working for the greater good and advancement of humanity... but ignorant people need the fear of god in them so that they have an ethical view on the world...

But if we want to talk about ignorance in religion we see that if god is our great creator and we all are his great children then why have we been killing each other throughout history in the name of religion... IF ANYTHING RELIGION HAS ONLY SLOWED OUR ADVANCEMENT IN SCIENCE! great philosophers of the past were affraid to express their actual view which may or may not have been correct because fear of the church. we have all these great religious books that different religious groups follow but who wrote them... some dude... not god... what race were adam and eve? if noah had to get two of every animal how did he get a kangaroo and a buffalo? and I've never seen a burning bush talk, but i have seen a crack head have a conversation with a wall before... its all just ignorance based on lack of logic from long ago

religion is a false truth with lack of backup so we rely on "faith" - but faith in what... some other people's beliefs? we need to accept that things that don't have an explanation can be explained, just not at the moment, and as a race we are looking for that TRUTH... Id rather spend my whole life looking for the right answer rather than accepting a false one

 

[seycyrus]

does the bible not describe the "deep firey pits of hell" that sounds like an explanation of a place to me rather than a state of mind...

You are the one who claimed the great religous education. You tell me. Perhaps you'd care to post that passage.

the bible has also been revised like i said to "cover the church's ass"

Please show me which books of the bible have been revised, and what the revisions were. note I am asking about ordering, inclusion or exclusion. I am asking you to show me which books were revised in say, the last 1500 years.

you still have yet to make a solid point...

Puppy. I answered your question as to my credentials.

I have addressed every single point you have made. The fact that in your replies to me you just ignored my responses is not my problem.

you have stated nothing of useful knowledge.. all you have done is question my points... i never said i was completely right... i pointed out many flaws in religion and stated some

Your flaws are ill conceived because you do not know the beliefs held by those who have written and thought on the subject, but rather dwell on those expressed by your drunken walmart buddies. It is no wonder that they are as confused as you are, if their education was either of the same quality or was as well received as was yours.

You have admitted that you do not know what they believe, yet somehow feel free to express an opinion on it. Which is truly amazing.

 

[shamrock5585]

hahaha you claim i have terrible religious background and tell me to quote the bible... sorry man i don't keep a bible on me at work... if your the expert then pull that garbage out of your own ass... obvioiusly walmart is your favorite place to talk about maybe you should go down there and pick one up...

ill point out that you have addressed SOME of my points... vaguely and indirectly... but yet you have still not addressed my original post which you were quick to critisize... so here we are idle on the subject because you fail to actually say anything of use

 

[seycyrus]

... Id rather spend my whole life looking for the right answer rather than accepting a false one

Again, you are looking with one eye closed. I suggest you read Dawkins latest book, for a primer on how an educated person criticizes religion.

 

[seycyrus]

hahaha you claim i have terrible religious background and tell me to quote the bible... sorry man i don't keep a bible on me at work... if your the expert then pull that garbage out of your own ass...

You are the one who provided the pseudo-quote. The onus is on you to back it up. I never claimed to be an expert.

ill point out that you have addressed SOME of my points...

I'll point out that you still have not addressed any of mine.

 

[shamrock5585]

just a comment... i might read that book if you actually were successful in making any point at all... like i said, i tell you to address my original post which is a couple paragraphs long and you respont with two sentences in regards to one line of what i said.

 

[shamrock5585]

You are the one who provided the pseudo-quote. The onus is on you to back it up. I never claimed to be an expert.

who cares... we are so damn off-point... if you arent the expert an who the f uck are you to critisize what i originally said

an i havnt addressed any of your points because you havnt had any dumbass

 

[shamrock5585]

you got a big head because you can poke at people areguments without actually putting in your own input... its not hard jackass

You are basing your views on what is believed by the beliefs expressed by the more "common man". Do you get your information of theories of physics and chemistry by asking joe schmoe on the street? I think not.



I can make a bunch of predictions of after death scenarios, even without the existence of God. Science does not find this issue to be a priority.

common science doesn't address this priority but maybe you should read up on it instead of talking to you common alter boy at walmart... irony is a jerk fool

 

[seycyrus]

you got a big head because you can poke at people areguments without actually putting in your own input... its not hard jackass

Your claims consisted of a rambling, incoherent mass of half sentences which were either incorrect in their assignation of what others believe or irrelevant.

You fault people for their ignorance of certain beliefs, but are ignorant as to what these beliefs actualy are. That is MY point. A point which you have proven. Your ignorance extends to virtually everythign you have said.

Show me where is says that hell is underneath us. It doesn't. Ignorance #1

Religion has in fact at times advanced science. Ignorance #2

Your Adam and Eve ?question? is so ill posed that it is difficult to determine your point exactly, but does not remove the fact that this ?question? is not an important point to modern christians. That you seem to be claiming that it is, further displays your ignorance.
Ignorance #3.

Buffalo and Kangaroo? What is your point here? Am I to assume you are trying to bring up a hybrid species and claim that it could not have beencarried on the ark? If so...Buffalo and Kangaroo have both genders. Perhaps you are referring to the mule, but I don't know. Since your *point* was not a point at all, but just a spasmodic garbling of two words.

Could you be making the claim that the kangaroo and buffalo would have had to walk a LOOOONNNG way? Who knows. It's not my job to figure out your incoherent ramblings. By the way, Moses took 7 of the clean animals and 2 of the unclean ones and some birds. Ignorance #4

Burning bush talking? I've never seen a piece of plastic talk before, but cell phones talk to me every day. This point is so ridiculous and easily dismissed that even a casual amount of thought would have revealed it for the stupid argument that it is. Ignorance # 5.

Forget my advice about reading Lewis, or Dawkins. Just go read ANYTHING, puppy.

 

[seycyrus]

who cares... we are so damn off-point...

Yeah far be it for you to actually worry about being correct about what you said.

if you arent the expert an who the f uck are you to critisize what i originally said

I didn't. My post didnt' quote yours, nor did it immediately follow yours. The fact that you chose to rise up and respond to my post is not my concern.

 

[vanesch]

I think this thread had degraded enough to the level of closure.