Could there be living beings without oxygen?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of living organisms existing without oxygen, the significance of oxygen in the development of life, and the potential for life forms not composed of organic compounds. The scope includes theoretical considerations, biological examples, and speculative ideas regarding alternative life forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that many organisms, particularly anaerobic bacteria, do not require atmospheric oxygen and can thrive without it.
  • Others challenge the notion that life can exist without any form of oxygen in its biochemistry, suggesting that all known life contains oxygen in some capacity.
  • There is a proposal that life could have developed in an oxygen-free environment, with some participants referencing theories about the early Earth.
  • Some participants mention the existence of facultative anaerobes, which can switch between aerobic and anaerobic respiration, highlighting the diversity of metabolic pathways in living organisms.
  • Speculative ideas are raised regarding the possibility of life forms based on inorganic compounds or silicon instead of carbon, though these remain largely theoretical.
  • Concerns are expressed about the accuracy of assumptions regarding the necessity of oxygen for life, with references to both scientific literature and science fiction scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the role of oxygen in life. While some acknowledge the existence of anaerobic organisms, others question the feasibility of life forms entirely devoid of oxygen or organic compounds. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the nature of potential alternative life forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of defining "organic compounds" and the implications of life existing without them. There are references to various types of anaerobic organisms and the historical context of oxygen's role in Earth's atmosphere, but no consensus is reached on the broader implications for life elsewhere.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring astrobiology, the origins of life, and the biochemical requirements for living organisms, as well as fans of science fiction contemplating alternative life forms.

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my question actually is that
1)are there living organisms that do not require oxygen,

2)why is this oxygen is important couldn't life have developed without oxygen

3)can there be living beings not made up of organic compounds


:D Thanks in advance for ur answers
(i m sorry if this question is stupid or posted in a wrong forum please delete it or move it to the appropriate one)
 
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You should do your own research before asking. Plenty of sources on the web.

Google for anaerobic - bacteria, organism, life, whatever.
 
Short answer - there are a lot of organisms on Earth that are killed by oxygen, anaerobic bacteria for instance. Most of your assumptions are wrong - life existed on Earth for well over a billion years in the absence of oxygen.
 
Is all that entirely correct? He didn't say diatomic oxygen, but just "oxygen". Are there living organisms that do not have a speck of oxygen in their biochemistry? Not in any water, not in any hydroxyl group hanging off a sugar molecule, no carboxylic acids to speak off, no carbon dioxide, no nothing? I don't think so.

How about the second one? Lemme' see, live evolved from amino acids, protiens, nucleic acids, all of which have oxygen in them. Pretty sure there's a group with oxygen hangin' off those molecules somewhere like COOH for example and then there's water everywhere and that's got oxygen. I myself believe carbon-based life is all that can emerge and that requires water, so oxygen too and as far as why well it's thermodynamics, it's quantum mechanics, and oxygen, by virtue of it's structure, facilitates the process.

And let me do three: No. Carbon-based life with it's CHON et.al., requirement is the only way in my opinion.
 
thunkit said:
my question actually is that
1)are there living organisms that do not require oxygen,

2)why is this oxygen is important couldn't life have developed without oxygen

3)can there be living beings not made up of organic compounds


:D Thanks in advance for ur answers
(i m sorry if this question is stupid or posted in a wrong forum please delete it or move it to the appropriate one)
1) All known living things contain molecules with carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen. So if you mean oxygen the element, then I would say no. However, most microbes get their oxygen from sources other than the atmosphere.
I conjecture that you are asking whether there are living things that can live without diatomic oxygen, which is the main component of oxygen in the atmosphere. There are many living things, mostly microscopic, that can live without atmospheric oxygen. In fact, the anaerobic bacteria outnumber the aerobic bacteria. Most of the biomass in on our world comes from bacteria, most of which are anaerobic.
There are also living things that have a choice. Yeast cells, for instance, can switch between aerobic and anaerobic respiration. In fact, alcohol is manufactured mostly by the anaerobic respiration of yeast. Note that yeast are not bacteria, although they are microscopic.

Many bacteria can not use atmospheric oxygen. In fact, some bacteria die on exposure to oxygen. Clostridium bacteria are an infamous genus of bacteria that die on contact with oxygen. Clostridium bacteria are opportunistic pathogens, so it is fortunate that they die when exposed to oxygen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_organism
“An anaerobic organism or anaerobe is any organism that does not require oxygen for growth. It could possibly react negatively and may even die if oxygen is present. There are three types:
obligate anaerobes, which cannot use oxygen for growth and are even harmed by it
aerotolerant organisms, which cannot use oxygen for growth, but tolerate the presence of it
facultative anaerobes, which can grow without oxygen but can utilize oxygen if it is present
Obligate anaerobes may use fermentation or anaerobic respiration.
Aerotolerant organisms are strictly fermentative.
In the presence of oxygen, facultative anaerobes use aerobic respiration; without oxygen, some of them ferment; some use anaerobic respiration.”

http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/anaer.htm
“Anaerobic bacteria are widely distributed in nature. Many anaerobes are common soil bacteria while many others make up part of the normal flora. The sensitivity of anaerobes to oxygen may be due to several factors, including the genetic inability to make enzymes such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase or various peroxidases.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast
“Yeast species either require oxygen for aerobic cellular respiration (obligate aerobes) or are anaerobic, but also have aerobic methods of energy production (facultative anaerobes). Unlike bacteria, there are no known yeast species that grow only anaerobically (obligate anaerobes). Yeasts grow best in a neutral or slightly acidic pH environment.

2) This isn't true. Life could have developed without oxygen in the atmosphere. Many scientists think that life on Earth developed before oxygen was present in the atmosphere. The currently accepted theory is that oxygen was introduced by living things to our atmosphere about 1 billion years ago.
There is a science fiction fantasy that hypothesized a planet where the living things used sulphur instead of oxygen in their bodies. However, the world was very hot, above the boiling point of sulfur. Therefore, the atmosphere had gaseous sulphur instead of oxygen.
The novel was "Ice World" by Clement. It isn't real, of course. However, the novel was more realistic than Star Trek. It is a little strange that in Star Trek is that practically every solar system contains a world with oxygen, and that these are the only worlds with life.

3) The phrase "organic compounds" is now used to specify molecules containing both carbon atoms and hydrogen atoms. There are no known living things that don't contain both carbon and hydrogen.
Some scientists are working on the theory that life is possible without organic compounds. There are theories that life on Earth started with inorganic compounds in clay or mineral deposits. Organic life evolved from these preorganic life forms, according to these theories. These theories are little more than speculations, right now.
However, it is possible that there are inorganic life forms on other planets.
One theme common in science fiction fantasies is the existence of silicon-life. In these fantasies, these organisms use silicon instead of carbon. There was one silicon-life form in the original Star Trek series, and another silicon-life form in the Star Trek-Next Generation series. Not including Data and other artificial life forms, of course.
 
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Thank you all for giving elaborate final answers to a newcomer too lazy to google for the basic facts on his own.

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