Counting Ghost Numbers in String Theory | Beltrami Parametrization

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The discussion revolves around the application of Beltrami parametrization in string theory, particularly focusing on the concept of ghost numbers and their practical counting in relation to differential geometry. Participants explore various aspects of the relevant paper, including algebraic manipulations, geometric interpretations, and the nature of mathematical objects involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to count the grading of an object, defined as its ghost number plus form degree, and whether this can be read from the Lagrangian.
  • Another participant requests the specific paper being referenced to provide better assistance.
  • A participant identifies the paper as Physics Letters 196B, 142 (1987) by L.Baulieu and M.Bellon and expresses confusion about graded commutation and derivation.
  • Specific concerns are raised regarding the mixing of components in equations and the meaning of the symmetrical product of forms.
  • There is uncertainty about whether the spin connection is even or odd graded, with a participant noting their calculations suggest it is probably graded even.
  • One participant expresses a desire to explore the geometric meaning of the paper's thesis while inviting others to tackle the algebra.
  • Another participant shares their progress with algebra and expresses a willingness to discuss geometric interpretations, despite feeling uncertain about their contributions as a graduate student.
  • Discussion includes identifying mathematical objects involved, such as components of one-forms and fermionic vector fields, with confusion about the role of the zweibein.
  • A participant emphasizes the distinction between physical objects and ghosts, mentioning metrics, frame fields, and the construction of spin connections, while expressing difficulty with complex coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various uncertainties and questions, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the interpretation of concepts and calculations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the specific issues raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of differential geometry and the specific algebraic manipulations required for the calculations. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and roles of certain mathematical objects.

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Hello I am new in string theory and I am wrestling with a paper in Beltrami parametrization. Although I have spend time studying ghosts, brs symmetry etc my knowledge in differential geometry is very limited (for string theory). My question is how do I count practically the grading of an object (it is defined as it's ghost number plus form degree).

Do I read this from the Lagrangian?

Second question: Where can I find the full Lagrangian with terms for antighosts?
 
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What is the paper? This will be easier to answer if I can see what you're reading.
 
Hi, thanks for the interest! The paper is Physics Letters 196B, 142 (1987) by L.Baulieu and M.Bellon.

In trying to reproduce the calculations I see that I am definitely missing something. I believe I do not understand how to use the graded commutation and derivation correctly.

Specifically I do not understand:

1. how in equation (11) the plus and minus components of d from (8a) mix with those of lambda. The calculation should be straightforward from (8a) , (10) and the zero torsion condition after (11).

2. what exactly is meant by symmetrical product of forms which is mentioned in (7). I can see that in (7) it means to change the index signs in the right parenthesis before doing the multiplication.

3. if the spin connection omega is even or odd graded. From calculations I did I see that it must probably be graded even but I do not understand how I can tell from my equations.

Any help much appreciated since very few people can help me with this
 
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Now we can struggle together. This could take a while... I want to think about the geometric meaning of the paper's thesis first, so if anyone else out there wants to tackle the algebra right away, please, go ahead.
 
I am happy to see that you are interested! My main problem too is indeed intuition as you have well identified. In the meantime I have made progress with the algebra and solved some of my questions. I have to harry up with the calculations since I am doing this as part of a project. When you are ready we can have a discussion on what is going on and attack the geometric interpretation and arguments, although I am not sure of how much help a mere grad student like me could be.
 
Do you think we can start from identifying what mathematical objects are the things that are here?

For starters

e^{\pm} are the two components of a one-form
\omega is a one form
\xi^{\alpha} are the components of a fermionic vector field, so each one is a fermionic variable

what confuses me is the zweibein. From what I knew so far I thought it should be a basis of vector fields and being the components of a one form here confuses me.
 
I think one should begin by distinguishing between physical objects and ghosts. Physically, there's a metric and a frame field (and from these you can construct a spin connection, torsion, curvature...). Then you have ghosts for diffeomorphisms, scale transformations, and local rotations.

But I don't understand the complex coordinates. I have the usual beginner's trouble with thinking of z and \bar{z} as independent variables, but OK, maybe if I think about it for long enough, I'll get used to it. However, what I'm really not getting is the association between the frame vectors and the complex coordinates. Is e^+ supposed to depend only on z, and e^- only on \bar{z}?
 

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