Coupled ODE with missing connecting derivatives

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The discussion revolves around a coupled system of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) involving second derivatives of two functions, w1 and w2. Participants explore methods for solving this system analytically and discuss the possibility of numerical solutions if an analytical approach is not feasible.

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  • Frank presents a coupled system of ODEs and expresses concern about the sufficiency of equations for an analytical solution, questioning the applicability of the eigenvalue method.
  • One participant suggests that the system can be represented in matrix form, indicating a potential simplification.
  • Another participant proposes a substitution method to transform the coupled equations into a single fourth-order linear ODE, focusing on w2 as the unknown function.
  • A different approach is introduced using operator notation, where participants discuss manipulating the equations to eliminate one variable and derive a new equation for the other.

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Participants present multiple approaches to solving the system, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

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There are limitations in the discussion, such as the dependence on specific assumptions about the coefficients and the potential complexity of the resulting equations. The participants do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in their proposed methods.

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Hi,

I have a coupled system of ODE like:

w1'' = A w2'' + B w1 + C w2
w2'' = D w1'' + E w1 + F w2

I need to solve it analytically but it seems it cannot be solved using eigenvalue method. My concern is first that if this system have sufficient equations and if so how it can be solved analytically. If there is no analytical solution, is there any numerical solution for that?


Thanks for your assistance,

Frank
 
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Hi Frank! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Isn't that just PW'' = QW, with P and Q matrices? :wink:
 
Solving is possible by substitution.
w1'' = A w2'' + B w1 + C w2
w2'' = D w1'' + E w1 + F w2
w2''= D(A w2'' + B w1 + C w2) + E w1 + F w2
w1 = (w2'' - D A w2''- D C w2 - F w2 ) / ( D A + E )
w1'' = (w2'''' - D A w2''''- D C w2'' - F w2'' ) / ( D A + E )
Then, bringing back w1 and w1'' into w2'' = D w1'' + E w1 + F w2 leads to a fourth order linear ODE with only one unknown function w2
 
I personally prefer the more elegant operator approach. First, I'll use lower-case constants and subscripts to make it easier to read. The operator approach is more methodical and easy to apply:

[tex]w_1^{''}=aw_2^{''}+bw_1+cw_2[/tex]

[tex]w_2^{''}=dw_1^{''}+ew_1+fw_2[/tex]

Now move everything over:

[tex]w_1^{''}-bw_1-aw_2^{''}-cw_2=0[/tex]

[tex]w_2^{''}-fw_2-dw_1^{''}-ew_1=0[/tex]

Now convert to operators and line-up everything:

[tex](D^2-b)w_1-(aD^2+c)w_2=0[/tex]

[tex](dD^2+e)w_1-(D^2-f)w_2=0[/tex]

Now, to eliminate [itex]w_2[/tex], operate on the first by [itex](D^2-f)[/itex] and on the second by [itex]-(aD^2+c)[/itex] and add. I get then:<br /> <br /> [tex](D^2-f)(D^2-b)w_1-(aD^2+c)(dD^2+e)w_1=0[/tex]<br /> <br /> Do something similar to get the equation in [itex]w_2[/itex][/itex]
 
Thank you guys for you valuable advices.

Your answers helped me a lot.
 

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