Coupling torsion to electromagnetism and torsion tensor decomposition

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The discussion centers on the coupling of torsion to electromagnetism within the framework of general relativity, specifically addressing the treatment of the torsion tensor. Authors such as Novello and Sabbata often assume the traceless part of the torsion tensor is zero for mathematical convenience. The conversation also explores whether the decomposition of the torsion tensor into trace, axial, and traceless components is the most general form, as outlined in Sur and Bhatia's work. The participants seek clarification on the implications of this decomposition and its relation to gauge invariance.

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Reason why the traceless part of the torsion tensor is usually set to zero in theories that extend general relativity to include electromagnetism?
When extending general relativity to include electromagnetism, several authors (e.g. Novello, Sabbata ecc.) assume that the traceless part of the torsion tensor vanishes or is deliberately set to zero. Then, either the trace or axial part of the torsion is used in association with the electromagnetic potential (coupling). Is there any reason why, besides mathematical convenience, the leftover part of the torsion is set to zero?
Is it related to gauge invariance?

Furthermore, is it correct to consider the decomposition of the torsion tensor into three components - i.e., trace part, axial part, and traceless part - as the most general one?
The decomposition I'm referring to is the following: $$T^λ_{μν} = \bar{T}^λ_{μν}+\frac{1}{6}ϵ_{λμνρ}V^ρ+\frac{1}{3}(g_{λν}T_μ − g_{λμ}T_ν)$$ where ##\bar{T}^λ_{μν}## is the traceless part of torsion, ##V^ρ## is the axial torsion vector or "pseudo-trace" and ##T_μ## is the torsion trace vector. This is found for example in Sur and Bhatia (Appendix, A-7 to A-10).
 
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Is there anyone who can answer? Does the question need clarification?
 
nicopa said:
several authors (e.g. Novello, Sabbata ecc.)
Do you have any specific references?
 
nicopa said:
is it correct to consider the decomposition of the torsion tensor into three components - i.e., trace part, axial part, and traceless part - as the most general one?
What do you mean by "most general"?
 
PeterDonis said:
What do you mean by "most general"?
I mean that it doesn't require any assumptions as to a specific form of the torsion tensor, e.g. with vanishing traceless part. In other words, that the above mentioned decomposition of the torsion tensor doesn't imply any geometrical constraints on its components.
 

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