Clebsch-Gordan Decomposition for 6 x 3

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The discussion revolves around the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition for the tensor product of representations, specifically 6 ⊗ 3, within the context of angular momentum and SU(3) symmetry. Participants explore the decomposition into symmetric and antisymmetric parts, referencing relevant equations and theoretical frameworks.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for obtaining the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition, including the use of ladder operators and Young tableaux. There is an attempt to clarify the relationship between angular momentum states and the representation theory involved.

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The conversation includes attempts to reconcile different approaches to the problem, with some participants suggesting that the use of ladder operators may provide a more concrete understanding, while others emphasize the importance of the theoretical framework outlined in specific texts. There is recognition of the relevance of Young tableaux in simplifying the process.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the specific focus of the problem, whether it pertains to angular momentum or SU(3) representations, indicating a need for clarification on the underlying assumptions and definitions being used in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


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I am trying to get the C-G Decomposition for 6 ⊗ 3.

2. Homework Equations

Neglecting coefficients a tensor can be decomposed into a symmetric part and an antisymmetric part. For the 6 ⊗ 3 = (2,0) ⊗ (1,0) this is:

Tij ⊗ Tk = Qijk = (Q{ij}k + Q{ji}k) + (Q[ij]k + Q[ji]k)

Where the focus is only on the interchange of the i and j indeces.

3. The Attempt at a Solution

Consider the antisymmetric term: (Q[ij]k + Q[ji]k). Use the invariant tensor to get:

εijllmnQmnk + εlnmQnmk) = εijl(Qkl + Qkl)

So the symmetric part is the '10' (3,0) and the antisymmetric part is the '8' (1,1). The symmetric part is traceless. However, I think I have neglected the trace of the antisymmetric term Qkl and should be writing Qkl - δklQ. However, If I do this I now have to add the singlet which shouldn't be there. What am I going wrong?
 
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I'm not sure at what level you're trying to understand the C-G decomposition, but if you're just interested in relating two different representations of angular momentum states, then to me, the best approach is to repeatedly use raising/lowering operators.

You have two systems, one with angular momentum 5/2 (so it is a "6", in that there are 6 states: ##m=+5/2, +3/2, +1/2, -1/2, -3/2, -5/2##). You have a second system with angular momentum 1 (so it is a "3" with 3 states: ##m=1, 0, -1##). You can combine them to get a state that has angular momentum 7/2 (an "8"), 5/2 (a "6") or 3/2 (a "4"). So the equation is:

##6 \otimes 3 = 8 \oplus 6 \oplus 4##

To figure out the coefficients, you start with:

##|j_1 = 5/2, m_1 = 5/2, j_2 = 1, m_2 = 1\rangle = |j = 7/2, m = 7/2\rangle##

We have ##J_1{-} + J_2{-} = J_{-}##, so act on the left side with ##J_1{-} + J_2{-} ## and act on the right side with ##J_{-}##. You use the fact that

##J_{-} |j\ m\rangle = \sqrt{j (j+1) - m (m-1)} |j\ m-1\rangle##

This gives you:

##\sqrt{5/2 7/2 - 5/2 3/2} |5/2, 3/2,1, 1\rangle + \sqrt{2} |5/2, 3/2, 1, 0\rangle ##
##= \sqrt{7/2 9/2 - 7/2 5/} | 7/2, 5/2\rangle##

So ##\sqrt{5/7} |5/2, 3/2, 1, 1\rangle + \sqrt{2/7} |5/2, 5/2, 1, 0\rangle = |7/2, 5/2\rangle##

You can repeatedly operate with ##J_{-1}## to find out all the coefficients relating ##j_1 = 5/2, j_2 = 1## to ##j=7/2##.

Then you can go back to
So ##\sqrt{5/7} |5/2, 3/2, 1, 1\rangle + \sqrt{2/7} |5/2, 5/2, 1, 0\rangle = |7/2, 5/2\rangle##

Choosing the orthogonal combination, you find:
So ##\sqrt{2/7} |5/2, 3/2, 1, 1\rangle - \sqrt{5/7} |5/2, 5/2, 1, 0\rangle = |5/2, 5/2\rangle##

This approach is a concrete way to get the coefficients. It looks like you're trying to understand things at a more abstract level?
 
SU(3).
 
The easiest way of doing this is to use Young tableaux. Are you familiar with them?
nigelscott said:
SU(3).
Note that this is vital information that was left out of your first post.
 
Yes, I am familiar and recognize that Young tableaux is easier for practical purposes. However, this approach should give the same result, yes?
 

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