Cracking the Code: The Secret Behind the Magic Trick at 13:30

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a magic trick performed between 13:30 and 19:00, with participants exploring theories about how the trick could be executed under the premise that it was not staged for television and that audience members were genuine participants. The focus includes speculation on the use of assistants, the arrangement of elements, and the potential for misdirection.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that names on cards could have been written by an assistant after audience members introduced themselves.
  • There is speculation about whether the audience participants were truly not plants, with one participant referencing confirmation from Penn and Teller on social media.
  • One participant proposes that the magician could have arranged the dishes in a specific order to facilitate the trick, allowing the assistant to write relevant information on the cards based on the arrangement.
  • Another participant notes that the envelopes' contents were never revealed, raising questions about how the audience members could have filled in their own names and tables.
  • Concerns are raised about the method of leading audience members to select specific envelopes and tables, with references to techniques used by other performers like Derren Brown.
  • One participant comments on the visibility of markings on cards in another trick, suggesting that such techniques could allow for manipulation of the outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of theories and uncertainties regarding the execution of the trick, with no consensus reached on the specific methods used or the validity of the assumptions about audience participation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the trick's mechanics, including unresolved questions about the roles of assistants and the specific methods of audience manipulation.

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The trick in question starts at 13:30 and goes through 19:00


Begin with the premises that this is trick wasn't produced strictly for television and could be performed live, and that the audience participants were not plants.

Any theories about how it could have done?
 
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I have no idea.

It's plausible and probable that the guy's names were put on the cards by an assistant between the time they introduced themselves and when the magician is seen holding the envelopes, but I can't think of an explanation for any other element of the trick.
 
Dude have you seen this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpthjI1z2FM ?

It's my most favorite from Penn and Teller.
 
WannabeNewton said:
Dude have you seen this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpthjI1z2FM ?

It's my most favorite from Penn and Teller.

That one is simply awesome.
 
mrspeedybob said:
The trick in question starts at 13:30 and goes through 19:00


Begin with the premises that this is trick wasn't produced strictly for television and could be performed live, and that the audience participants were not plants.

Any theories about how it could have done?


How do we know for certain the audience participants were not plants?
 
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micromass said:
How do we know for certain the audience participants were not plants?
Bingo.
 
Evo said:
Bingo.

Well, apparently it wasn't. Penn and Teller confirmed on twitter that it wasn't a planted crew after they were told how the trick was done.

Well, that's a bummer...
 
Now, we never actually saw what was inside the envelopes. Only the three guys saw it. So, if they're not lame, then they could easily have filled in their own name and table...

And I guess it's pretty easy to let the men know which food they're serving, by printing a message at the end of the dish, somehow.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
I have no idea.

It's plausible and probable that the guy's names were put on the cards by an assistant between the time they introduced themselves and when the magician is seen holding the envelopes, but I can't think of an explanation for any other element of the trick.
I just thought of one more thing: supposing the dishes were placed on the original side table in a certain order, the assistant writing the cards would know which dish got put on which table before the volunteers were chosen. Suppose pizza is always the first dish the magician picks up. The woman chooses table 3. This would allow the assistant to write, " ...was served pizza at table 3" on the card. The magician also knows the order, of course, and he knows which dish the woman has selected to be at which table.

When the volunteers are chosen the assistant can arbitrarily connect them to a dish and a table. He signals to the magician which has been put where by color code: Let's say the first volunteer's name is always put in the yellow envelope, and the yellow envelope is always assigned to pizza. What remains is for the magician to lead the woman somehow to choose to give the yellow envelope to Wayne, and later to choose to put Wayne at table 3, where he knows the pizza is.

I'm not sure how that leading is done. I've seen many videos of Derren Brown doing it, or claiming to be doing it, without figuring out exactly how he's doing it.
 
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micromass said:
That one is simply awesome.

That one is really original and entertaining, but it's also pretty obvious. Many of the cards were marked with vertical or horizontal marks on the edges. By stacking the deck he can make it say anything he wants when it gets fanned out at the end.
 

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