Crazy idea for battle bot. Can it work?

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The discussion revolves around a proposed design for a battle bot, focusing on its theoretical operating principles rather than engineering specifics. Participants explore the physics of coaxial movement, torque control, and weapon mechanics, while considering potential challenges and effectiveness in a competitive environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using coaxial movement and torque to control the robot's movement, with a flywheel as the weapon.
  • Another participant argues that a clutch or freewheel system is necessary to transfer differential rotation to the main wheels.
  • A participant expresses concerns about the durability of the large wheels, suggesting they may fail easily under damage.
  • There is a mention of the need for high angular momentum in the counter-torque disks, which could lead to weight issues and control loss if the bot is blocked.
  • One participant acknowledges the potential vulnerabilities of the design while considering it an interesting thought experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the proposed drive system, with some agreeing on the need for a clutch system while others raise concerns about the design's durability and control issues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall effectiveness of the proposed battle bot concept.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the proposed design's weight distribution, potential mechanical failures, and the theoretical nature of the discussion, which may not account for practical engineering challenges.

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Hello all. This is my first post here. I have an idea for a battle bot design and I'd like a reality check on it's theoretical operating principles. Forget the design/engineering aspect for now. I'm aware there will be some major hurdles there! But does the physics check out?

See the attached sketch. The concept is to manipulate coaxial movement and torque to control movement of the robot. The weapon is essentially a fly wheel, and part of the coaxial system.

1. The large wheels move freely on the axle.
2. The weapon spins CW
3. Total mass of the two counter-torque discs equals mass of the weapon
4. CT discs spin CCW
5. Forward/reverse movement is controlled by speeding up or slowing down the CW discs relative to the weapon. WOULD THIS WORK? I feel like it would cause the robot to "drift" forward or backwards.
6. Turning movement is controlled by slowing down either of the CT discs. The this would result in a (gyroscope?) force rotating the system on it's vertical axis (kind of like a coaxial helicopter).

As I write this out, I'm more doubtful it will work :) But tell me what you think. If it doesn't work as I hope it will, I also have some ideas for using physical slip-clutches to transmit motion (activated by a servo or something).
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I don’t think your proposed drive system will work. You will need some sort of clutch/freewheel system to transfer the differential rotation from the core systems to the main wheels.

Second, those enormous wheels are going to be damage magnets. My concern is that they would not withstand much damage before failing and immobilizing your bot and its weapon.
 
Thanks. I agree about the clutch. In terms of how effective this would be as a robot, I haven't completely thought through all the pros and cons, other than it would be un-flippable and it's sensitive bits would be up high and protected by the wheels from two sides and the weapon from the other two sides. Also the weapon could be designed to hammer down or flip up the opponent, depending on how you approachthem.

The wheels could be pretty beefy depending on the weight class and what kind of power to weight ratio I could come up with to drive them.

It could be all around a terrible idea, but an interesting thought experiment. :)
 
You would need a high angular moment of inertia in your CT disks which is going to cause weight issues. The disks would also be subject to reaction wheel "saturation" if you tried to move while blocked resulting in a loss of control. The tall wheels are also very vulnerable to bending/breakage.
 

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