Create a wave equation with the following properties.

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The discussion revolves around constructing a wave equation \(\psi(x,t)\) that meets specific criteria, including direction of travel, phase velocity, frequency, amplitude, and an initial condition. The subject area is wave mechanics, focusing on wave equations and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore how to formulate the wave equation based on given properties, questioning the implications of amplitude and initial conditions. There is discussion about the correct form of the wave equation for negative direction travel and the relationship between amplitude and initial conditions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various insights and interpretations. Some suggest using sine or cosine functions to meet the initial condition, while others focus on maintaining the exponential form of the equation. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple approaches are being considered.

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Participants note the importance of periodicity in wave functions and the potential need for phase constants to satisfy initial conditions. The discussion also highlights the ambiguity in defining the mean value of the wave function.

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Homework Statement


Write down an equation to describre a wave \psi(x,t) with all of the following properties

a) It is traveling in the negative x direction
b) It has a phase velocity of 2000ms-1
c) It has a frequency of 100kHz
d)It has an amplitude of 3 units
e) \psi(0,0)= 2 units

Homework Equations


f=\frac{\omega}{2\pi}
\lambda=\frac{2\pi}{k}
vp=\frac{\omega}{k}
\psi(x,t)=Aexp(kx+\omegat)

The Attempt at a Solution


a) For it to be traveling in the negative x direction the equation would have to be:
\psi(x,t)=Aexp(kx-\omegat)

c) For it to have a frequency of 100kHz:
\omega=2\pif=2*105\pirads-1

b) For it to have a phase velocity of 2000ms-1:
vp=\frac{\omega}{k}
k=\frac{\omega}{v<sub>p</sub>}=\frac{(2*10<sup>5</sup>)\pi}{2000}=100\piradm-1

d) For it to have an amplitude of 3 units:
\psi(x,t)=3exp[(100\pi)x-(2*105\pi)t]

e) This part I can't work out since I thought if x=0 and t=0 then the answer would just be the amplitude as exp0=1 but the amplitude is 3 units not 2 so were have I gone wrong here?

Is any of the above correct or have I got it completely wrong? Also if anyone can help me out with part e) that would be great. Finally I don't know why its not including the greek symbols so sorry if it makes anything harder to read like the greek symbols next to the units. Thanks in advance.
 
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craig.16 said:

Homework Statement


Write down an equation to describre a wave \psi(x,t) with all of the following properties

a) It is traveling in the negative x direction
b) It has a phase velocity of 2000ms-1
c) It has a frequency of 100kHz
d)It has an amplitude of 3 units
e) \psi(0,0)= 2 units

Homework Equations


f=\frac{\omega}{2\pi}
\lambda=\frac{2\pi}{k}
vp=\frac{\omega}{k}
\psi(x,t)=Aexp(kx+\omegat)

The Attempt at a Solution


a) For it to be traveling in the negative x direction the equation would have to be:
\psi(x,t)=Aexp(kx-\omegat)

c) For it to have a frequency of 100kHz:
\omega=2\pif=2*105\pirads-1

b) For it to have a phase velocity of 2000ms-1:
vp=\frac{\omega}{k}
k=\frac{\omega}{v<sub>p</sub>}=\frac{(2*10<sup>5</sup>)\pi}{2000}=100\piradm-1

d) For it to have an amplitude of 3 units:
\psi(x,t)=3exp[(100\pi)x-(2*105\pi)t]

e) This part I can't work out since I thought if x=0 and t=0 then the answer would just be the amplitude as exp0=1 but the amplitude is 3 units not 2 so were have I gone wrong here?

Is any of the above correct or have I got it completely wrong? Also if anyone can help me out with part e) that would be great. Finally I don't know why its not including the greek symbols so sorry if it makes anything harder to read like the greek symbols next to the units. Thanks in advance.

The amplitude gives the variation from the mean. Who says the mean is 0

For example a wave on the surface of a swimming pool. The amplitude may be 10 cm, but the depth of water is varying from 1.9 to 2.1 metres.
 
I understand this but how can I reflect part e) in the wave equation without tampering with the amplitude since as far as I can remember the "A" in the equation is just amplitude, no need to do any equation separately for it and with x=0 and t=0, it can't be any other number. Any extra hints would be grateful as I know we can't give direct answers in this forum. Thankyou for replying also.
 
craig.16 said:
I understand this but how can I reflect part e) in the wave equation without tampering with the amplitude since as far as I can remember the "A" in the equation is just amplitude, no need to do any equation separately for it and with x=0 and t=0, it can't be any other number. Any extra hints would be grateful as I know we can't give direct answers in this forum. Thankyou for replying also.

Are you allowed to just add or subtract a number at the end? Like with sine graphs

like y = a.sin(x - j) + c
 
It doesn't say you can't. Didn't think about using sine, been so used to the format of exp wave equations that involve finding out or using the phase velocity that it slipped my mind. Thankyou.
 
craig.16 said:
It doesn't say you can't. Didn't think about using sine, been so used to the format of exp wave equations that involve finding out or using the phase velocity that it slipped my mind. Thankyou.

I wasn't recommending sin - though it may be suitable - just using it as an example of having a number added on to the rest of your function, in order to change the mean from zero.
 
I think I will stick with exp then, it doesn't really indicate what type of wave equation to use so I think any type would suffice as long as it contained the given properties, especially considering the question before it uses sin and the question after uses exp.
 
craig.16 said:

Homework Statement


Write down an equation to describre a wave \psi(x,t) with all of the following properties

a) It is traveling in the negative x direction
b) It has a phase velocity of 2000ms-1
c) It has a frequency of 100kHz
d)It has an amplitude of 3 units
e) \psi(0,0)= 2 units

Homework Equations


f=\frac{\omega}{2\pi}
\lambda=\frac{2\pi}{k}
vp=\frac{\omega}{k}

\psi(x,t)=A exp(kx+\omegat)

The wave has to be periodic both in space and time. If it travels along the x-axis it is periodic in x.
\psi(x,t)=Ae^{kx+\omega t} is not a periodic function. It would be periodic with an imaginary exponent: \psi(x,t)=Ae^{i(kx+\omega t)}. Or, to describe a real wave, you can choose a sin or cosine function or the linear combination of a sine and cosine to fulfil a given initial condition. You can also incorporate a phase constant in the phase of a single sine or cosine.
When the wave travels in the positive x direction, its phase is kx-ωt: a wavefront (place of the wave with a certain displacement) will shift to higher x values with increasing time. A wave traveling in the negative x direction has a phase kx+ωt.
So you can choose your waveform as \psi(x,t)=A\sin(kx+\omega t+\alpha)

The amplitude is 3 units, so A=3, and ψ(0,0)=2, that means:

3\sin(\alpha)=2

You can find an appropriate alpha from here.

ehild
 
Thankyou ehild for going in detail through this question, very useful.
 

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