Create movement from leveraging the propagation of magmatism

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The discussion revolves around the concept of generating movement through the manipulation of electro-magnetism and the propagation of magnetic forces. Participants explore the theoretical implications of oscillating power between two electro-magnets and the potential for creating directional movement, while also considering the constraints of conservation laws.

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  • One participant proposes a setup with two electro-magnets that could potentially create movement by alternating their magnetic states.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of this setup without violating conservation laws, suggesting that momentum must be conserved.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the mathematical framework needed to analyze the propagation of magnetic forces in this context.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding the relevant equations is necessary before further discussion can occur.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed setup or the underlying physics. There is a clear disagreement regarding the feasibility of generating movement without violating conservation laws.

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Limitations include the lack of specific equations to analyze the proposed scenario and the unresolved nature of how momentum conservation applies to the described setup.

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Create movement from leveraging the propagation of magmatism
Imagine two electro-magnets about a metre apart aimed at each other. We turn one of them on, and are able to watch the magnetism propagate in slow motion. The moment the magnetism reaches the second electro-magnet, we turn this on (in a manner in which it attracts), and turn the first one off. Am I correct in that only the second one would move towards the first one?

As the magnetism from the second electro-magnetic propagates back to the first one, the first one in turned on, but in an opposite current, creating repulsion, while the other electro-magnetic is turn off. Am I correct in that now only the electro-magnetic which is on is being repelled?

ie. would putting this setup inside a box, and oscillating power in this manner (at around 149mhz?) generate one directional movement?

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seb7 said:
would putting this setup inside a box, and oscillating power in this manner (at around 149mhz?) generate one directional movement?
If you mean, without emitting anything to conserve momentum, then no. You can't violate conservation laws.
 
PeterDonis said:
If you mean, without emitting anything to conserve momentum, then no. You can't violate conservation laws.
yep I understand this, but where's the flaw?
 
seb7 said:
where's the flaw?
I don't know. Have you tried to actually do the math?
 
PeterDonis said:
I don't know. Have you tried to actually do the math?
I don't know of any equations that take into account the propagation of these forces
 
seb7 said:
I don't know of any equations that take into account the propagation of these forces
Then your first step should be to learn them. Once you have, if you work through the math for the scenario you posed and still can't see how momentum is conserved, then you can start a new thread with a much more specific question based on actual math, and therefore a much better basis for PF discussion.

In the meantime, this thread is closed.
 

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