Creating Antimatter or Storing Energy in Space: A Possibility?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of creating antimatter through photon interactions and the implications of energy storage in space. It touches on theoretical aspects of particle physics, potential applications in energy storage, and the feasibility of such processes in experimental setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that two photons with energies of at least 0.511 MeV crossing at the same point could create electron-positron pairs, suggesting this as a method for antimatter creation.
  • Another participant agrees that photon interactions could lead to antimatter creation but notes the process is not cost-effective and poses challenges due to immediate annihilation of created positrons and electrons.
  • A participant questions whether electron and positron creation occurs in the HiPER fusion reactor before laser beams hit the fuel, indicating a potential misunderstanding of photon energies involved.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that no laser produces photons with energies near 0.511 MeV, implying that the conditions for pair production are not met in that scenario.
  • One participant suggests that while pair production is probable, the cross-section for such interactions is significant, and mentions ongoing work on photon-photon colliders, indicating a potential avenue for further exploration.
  • A later reply asserts that pair production is observed in electron-positron colliders, referencing bremsstrahlung photons as evidence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and practicality of creating antimatter through photon interactions, with some supporting the idea and others challenging the conditions necessary for such processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms and implications of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about photon energies and the conditions required for pair production. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the applicability of these concepts in practical scenarios such as fusion reactors.

Edi
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2 photons with energies of at least 0.511 MeV are crossing the same spot at the same time - there is 1.22 MeV energy in a point, enough to create electron and positron pair. Will it happen?
If yes, isn't it a nice way to create antimatter, or at least anti-electrons?
If it doesn't, then one could potentially store the energy of, for example, 1Kg in space smaller than an atom and there would be no mass. It could even be much much more energy, possibly infinite. Even if its for tiniest of time scale, still - either one could relatively easy create anti-matter, or ,potentianally, store +- infinite amounts of energy in a single point (or something close to a point) without any mass created ... OR?
 
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Edi said:
Will it happen?

Yes.

Edi said:
If yes, isn't it a nice way to create antimatter, or at least anti-electrons?

Well, it's not very cost-effective. It's also not very convenient since you make positrons at or near rest right next to electrons, so they can then immediately annihilate.
 
Hmm, so what about HiPER? That fusion reactor. Shouldn't there be electron and positron creation before the multiple laser beams hit the deuterium-tritium (?) ball?
 
Of course not. You wrote yourself 0.511 MeV. No laser puts out photons of anywhere near that energy.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Yes.

Not "Yes". "Probably".

But cross-section should be sizable (order of ~0.1 barn at resonance), since it's a crossing of Compton scattering.

People are actually working on designing photon-photon colliders. It's not too difficult to modify an electron collider to produce bunches of energetic photons, main thing needed is a powerful laser. If ILC is ever built, one of its operating modes will probably be photon-photon.

http://tesla.desy.de/new_pages/TDR_CD/PartVI/chapter1.pdf
 
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No, it's observed. You see it with bremsstrahlung photons in e+e- colliders.
 

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