Could the primeval antimatter "be among us"?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of primeval antimatter in the early universe and its potential interactions with matter. Participants explore whether antimatter could have combined with other particles instead of annihilating, and the implications of such interactions for the current matter-antimatter asymmetry observed in the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that particles and antiparticles did not necessarily have to annihilate and could have formed composite particles like mesons, which might have decayed into particles common today.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that the result of combining quarks and antiquarks is that both are gone, implying that this does not support the initial claim.
  • A participant references the independence of quark and lepton sectors in the Standard Model, proposing that the labeling of particles as matter or antimatter is a convention, suggesting a different perspective on the presence of antimatter in the universe.
  • There is a challenge regarding the statement about the composition of neutrons and anti-neutrons, with one participant asserting that the asymmetry observed today supports the existence of more protons and neutrons than their antiparticle counterparts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on whether primeval antimatter could have combined with other particles without annihilation. Some argue for the possibility, while others firmly reject this notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interactions on the current understanding of matter and antimatter.

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Participants reference specific concepts from the Standard Model and challenge each other's interpretations, indicating a reliance on definitions and conventions that may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of baryons and the labeling of particles.

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Kindly allow a me to post this layman question. In popular science it is often stated that the very early universe should have produced approximately equal amounts of particles and antiparticles, and that the dominance of matter over antimatter in the current universe is somehow a mystery. They often point that a particle and its antiparticle should have annihilated releasing EM radiation as a result.

My question is, particles did not necessarily have to meet their antiparticle, and in that case they needed not annihilate but could form other composite particles with different fate than annihilation.

For example mesons are made up of a quark and an antiquark. They are not stable in our current low energy universe, but they might have survived some time in the energetic early universe. If I'm not misinformed they eventually decay into electrons, neutrinos and photons. So this is an example where initial matter + antimatter could have combined into actual particles and decayed into particles which are common today, without suffering matter-antimatter annihilation.

I have more doubts regarding baryons, this website states that "the neutron contains more quarks than anti-quarks, whereas the anti-neutron contains more anti-quarks than quarks." I doubt that this is correct, but if it was it could also explain where antiquarks went to, into our everyday protons and neutrons.

https://profmattstrassler.com/artic...e-technical-concepts/what-are-anti-particles/

At any rate the question is, is it not possible that primeval antimatter instead of meeting their antiparticles and annihilating did combine with other particles (some of the results eventually decaying) forming our familiar universe?

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Gerinski said:
So this is an example where initial matter + antimatter could have combined into actual particles and decayed into particles which are common today, without suffering matter-antimatter annihilation.
It is not called annihilation, but the result is the same - both quark and antiquark are gone.
Gerinski said:
I have more doubts regarding baryons, this website states that "the neutron contains more quarks than anti-quarks, whereas the anti-neutron contains more anti-quarks than quarks."
It is correct, and it is exactly the asymmetry we see today: protons and neutrons, but (nearly) no antiprotons and antineutrons.
Gerinski said:
At any rate the question is, is it not possible that primeval antimatter instead of meeting their antiparticles and annihilating did combine with other particles (some of the results eventually decaying) forming our familiar universe?
No.
 
In Standard Model, quark and lepton sectors are independent (there is no interaction which turns a quark into lepton(s)), and therefore labels for "matter" and "antimatter" can be assigned independently, and *differently*, in these sectors.

IOW: you may well decide to label electrons to be "antimatter" and positrons "matter". In such a picture, our Universe does contain a lot of antimatter (in the form of electrons).

While you are working in SM, this labeling is only a convention. If we'd ever arrive at a general consensus of a BSM theory linking quarks and leptons, it may well turn out that electrons really *are* antimatter.
 

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