Creation of matter and energy out of nothing.

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The discussion revolves around the creation of matter and energy from nothing, particularly in the context of the Big Bang and quantum field theory. Participants explore concepts such as false vacuum, quantum fluctuations, and the implications of these ideas on the understanding of the universe's origin and energy dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the tiny dot of matter during the Big Bang contained immense energy that could transform into matter, referencing E=mc².
  • Another participant questions the logical foundation of the idea that "nothing" can become "something," suggesting a need to examine the structural integrity of the quantum fluctuation theory.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of a zero-energy universe, proposing that gravity has negative energy that balances the positive energy of matter.
  • One participant emphasizes uncertainty regarding the origins of the false vacuum, stating that it is unclear whether it was created or existed from the beginning.
  • Another participant points out that current quantum field theories (QFT) do not consistently describe gravity and argue that they cannot support the notion of creating something from nothing, as energy conservation is a fundamental principle in these theories.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of vacuum states, with one participant clarifying that a vacuum is a local energy minimum and that multiple configurations of fields can exist.
  • Concerns are raised about the authoritative tone of earlier statements regarding the false vacuum and cosmic inflation, with a call for more cautious language.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of quantum fluctuations and the nature of the vacuum. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims made about the creation of matter and energy or the interpretation of quantum field theory in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the relationship between quantum field theory and gravity, as well as the status of the false vacuum. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and the need for further exploration of these concepts.

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I got a question in my mind as to how the tiny dot of matter during the big bang contained so much energy that could create the universe. Remember this tiny dot contained so much energy that it could transform this energy into matter in the form of the universe (Remember E=MC2).

The Quantum field theory says we can create something out of nothing. So the energy or matter created after the big bang would be more than the initial energy or matter. This is due to quantum fluctuations. In quantum physics, a quantum vacuum fluctuation (or quantum fluctuation or vacuum fluctuation) is the temporary change in the amount of energy in a point in space. False vacuum was formed by means of a random quantum fluctuation. Let me explain what false vacuum is. Empty space has various phases, just as water has solid and liquid phases. So False Vacuum is a phase of vacuum. When water freezes to form ice, it releases energy. When false vacuum "freezes" (Or decays) to form true vacuum (a different phase of the vacuum) it also releases energy. There's nothing really true or false about "true vacuum" and "false vacuum;" those are just the historical names that ended up being given to certain particular states of the field. A false vacuum is not the state of least energy and it can decay into a state of least energy or true vacuum state. During inflation, the expansion rate of the universe was controlled by the gravitational repulsion of the false vacuum.

Eventually the false vacuum decays to true vacuum or ground state which is the lowest energy state, and the energy that had been locked in it is released. This energy produces a hot, uniform, soup of particles (Quark-Gluon Plasma). The false vacuum would eventually decay into a low-energy true vacuum, the decay of the false vacuum at the beginning of the universe could cause a rapid expansion at ever-increasing rates, which is called cosmic inflation. This energy released after decay of false vacuum is called primal energy which came from a false vacuum. Then the universe was created from this primal energy. Remember E=MC2.

So I am saying that matter and energy were created out of nothing due to Quantum Fluctuations. So, am I correct?
 
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Hmmm...I understand your line of reasoning but have you considered the inherent failure for the laws of deductive logic to allow for something which is nothing to become more than it what it was once. So the real mystery to be solved is not whether you are correct about your conclusion that something came out of nothing because of "quantum fluctuations"...but rather...what is wrong with the structural integrity of "quantum fluctuation" theory which allows for it to be considered a potential truism that "nothingness" can become "somethingness"?
 
avito009 said:
I got a question in my mind as to how the tiny dot of matter during the big bang contained so much energy that could create the universe.

Actually the modern view is the universe is a free lunch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe

Strangely it turns out gravity has negative energy and it balances the positive energy of matter.

Thanks
Bill
 
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avito009 said:
False vacuum was formed by means of a random quantum fluctuation.

We don't know whether false vacuum was created, or existed primordially, or even whether can exist. I think it may be a good idea to tone down the level authoritativeness in your statements.

Let me explain what false vacuum is. Empty space has various phases, just as water has solid and liquid phases. So False Vacuum is a phase of vacuum.

Your explanation is incomplete. A vacuum state is a state where any small change in quantum fields would increase energy. IOW: a vacuum is a state with local minimum of energy.

If the laws of nature (equations governing interaction of all existing quantum fields) are such that there are more than one configuration of fields which exhibits local energy minimum, then nature has more than one possible vacuum.

When water freezes to form ice, it releases energy. When false vacuum "freezes" (Or decays) to form true vacuum (a different phase of the vacuum) it also releases energy. There's nothing really true or false about "true vacuum" and "false vacuum;" those are just the historical names that ended up being given to certain particular states of the field. A false vacuum is not the state of least energy and it can decay into a state of least energy or true vacuum state.

Correct.

During inflation, the expansion rate of the universe was controlled by the gravitational repulsion of the false vacuum.

This is currently not known. What you state is just one of many theories.
 
avito009 said:
The Quantum field theory says we can create something out of nothing.

IIRC there is no known consistent QFT which describes gravity. So, all known working QFTs operate in Minkovski space of Special Relativity. They do not describe "gravitational repulsion" or any other aspect of gravity. As far as QFTs are concerned, they can only describe a fixed, non-changing volume of space. It may be infinite, but it can't be expanding - QFTs just don't have means to handle that.

So, no, QFT does not say that we can create something out of nothing. In today's known QFTs, energy is conserved.

I think it's quite likely that when we will find a consistent description of quantum gravity, it won't be conserving energy. GR already has difficulties with that.
 

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