Crepes with Egg Whites: Low Fat & High Protein?

[Beeza]

If your really looking for good information on any topic involving natural bodybuilding, then read any article by Layne Norton. He is a good friend of mine and has recently won two pro cards in natural bodybuilding associations. His articles are also backed up by an underdrag degree in biochemistry and him being a PhD candidate in nutritional biochemistry specializing in amino acid utilization. I'd take anything he says in an article as the concrete truth.

 

[JasonRox]

I'd take anything he says in an article as the concrete truth.

Are you sure about that?

When he learns that you feel this way, he can totally abuse his position, which is something a lot of professionals seem to do nowadays.

 

[JasonRox]

Yeah, that would be my guess too. They try to convince you that you need more than you do so you buy more of their product.

Do the guys on those supplements for a long time have any kidney problems from trying to excrete all that excess protein? That would put quite a load on the kidneys I'd think.

Pythagorean, I think the other body building thread (the one started with a picture of a body builder asking if it's male or female) would give insight to the objections to the term "bulking." It seems there are a lot of people who just go in it to get big, and don't care where or how or what their eventual shape looks like.

Jason, I think you just need to have a cookout for all your friends to use up the burgers.

Why would pork or beef be harder to digest than chicken? Where did you hear that? That's a new one I've never heard before.

Ok, back to you now.

http://ibscrohns.about.com/cs/colorecalcancer/a/crcancerrisks.htm

It says to reduce the intake of red meat. Not sure where I got the whole pork idea from though. It's something I overheard, but it might be wrong.

I ate red meat today at a friends house (meatballs). So, it's not like I don't eat it. I just don't have it as part of my daily diet.

Note: I'm not sure what you're thinking about when I say "bulking", but in no way do I mean getting ridiculously huge. It's basically meant to eat more food to gain weight. There is no association to supplements or steroids of any kind. So, in a way if I saw a skinny person who wanted to gain muscle, I would say you should "bulk". I would later explain to "clean bulk" and so on.

In the end, you can't get ridiculously huge by "bulking". You can get really fat if you don't train or eat right though.

 

[JasonRox]

Ohh boy do I agree with this. I have spent a lot of time recently trying to show the people on the forum that high GI carbs pwo is not needed at all. heck the resistance I showed to that idea was high even though I consider myself fairly openminded. But the fact where just so clear. The narrowminded attitude is contagious.

I agree with this. After a workout, I normally just have a glass of milk, a fruit and one of my meals (which is usually a protein serving with a vegetable serving).

I would consider my meals to be lower on the GI scale. I eat fruits like Oranges, Apples, Peaches and Bananas. My vegetables are Brocoli, Spinach, Tomatoes, Carrots and Cucumbers.

I do eat high GI foods though. Not as much as I used too. I should continue to work on that though. It's JUST TOO HARD!

 

[Pythagorean]

Ok, I'm back to talk some more.

Back to the toning issue.

I don't particularly like the following site, but the following article explains how toning is just a myth and hopefully bulking will become a myth.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sisco13.htm

Check out number 4.

Anyways, back to the protein thing. If you eat 35 grams of protein for 5 meals a day or 30 grams of protein for 6 meals a day, that's 175 and 180 grams of protein! That should clearly be enough for anyone unless you're on steroids and weighing in at like 230 pounds of solid muscle.

So, if you take 2 scoops of protein a day, which averages 20-25 grams of protein, you're now at about 230 grams of protein a day. This is not necessary at all. There is not way the human body was developped to handle that much. I just doubt it can handle that on a daily basis. The average person eats like 70 grams of protein (just a wild guess based on what I see people eat normally).

So, 180 grams is over 2 times that amount and 230 is over 3 times that amount! That can't be good.

excellent! Thank you for the info and the site. I actually learned quite a bit fromt he myths. I actually thought muscles diminished from non use (but then, he didn't include his diet during his downtime, so I assume muscle mass will diminish from malnutrition, which is more common than most people think, especially in college students!)

Anyway, I'm just getting into building some muscle (not extensive or pro or anything, just cause I feel like a weakling lately) so this is helpful info, thanx!

 

[JasonRox]

excellent! Thank you for the info and the site. I actually learned quite a bit fromt he myths. I actually thought muscles diminished from non use (but then, he didn't include his diet during his downtime, so I assume muscle mass will diminish from malnutrition, which is more common than most people think, especially in college students!)

Anyway, I'm just getting into building some muscle (not extensive or pro or anything, just cause I feel like a weakling lately) so this is helpful info, thanx!

Yeah, no need to get big.

You'll feel much better and more confident about yourself. Good things come from working out.

 

[Azael]

excellent! Thank you for the info and the site. I actually learned quite a bit fromt he myths. I actually thought muscles diminished from non use (but then, he didn't include his diet during his downtime, so I assume muscle mass will diminish from malnutrition, which is more common than most people think, especially in college students!)

Anyway, I'm just getting into building some muscle (not extensive or pro or anything, just cause I feel like a weakling lately) so this is helpful info, thanx!

Disregard number 3 on that site though. Its well known that you need to change exercises to continously gain strenght. CNS is responsible for a lot of the strenght gains and it gets stimulate differently from changing exercise. The best place to read up on training is this site
http://www.elitefts.com/articles/Current-Articles/default.asp
Click on the left on t-mag articles and find "The eight keys" excelent read.

If you lift the same weight for the same reps and sets week after week you won't se any progress at all. Best is it either continously increase weight each week(simply put classical periodisation) or to go heavy all the time but switch exercise every other week(conjugated perodisation). I am more into increasing weight myself because the other apporach is straining on joints. But both works excelently :)

Also don't fall for the biggest myth in the weightlifting world. That you have to take every set to failure to grow. Quit the opposit. Avoid going to failure it just tax your CNS without giving any extra growth.

 

[Azael]

I agree with this. After a workout, I normally just have a glass of milk, a fruit and one of my meals (which is usually a protein serving with a vegetable serving).

I would consider my meals to be lower on the GI scale. I eat fruits like Oranges, Apples, Peaches and Bananas. My vegetables are Brocoli, Spinach, Tomatoes, Carrots and Cucumbers.

I do eat high GI foods though. Not as much as I used too. I should continue to work on that though. It's JUST TOO HARD!

I have something similar. A shake with milk, a banana, some whey and 3 grams of ascorbic acid. What I have found digging through medline and reading what others write is that what you eat pre workout is what is most important. A serving of carbs and essential amino acids pre workout gives a larger boost to muscle protein synthesis than carbs + EAA's post workout.

Its one of the few times I think whey is superior to food because only the essential amino acids have that effect and whey is cram packed with em :) I guess maby eggs would work.

I have to admit I also eat high gi foods :( But I limit it to once a week and have a full cheat day I eat candy and crap food until I pass out

Who can live without candy and pizza

 

[Pythagorean]

Also don't fall for the biggest myth in the weightlifting world. That you have to take every set to failure to grow. Quit the opposit. Avoid going to failure it just tax your CNS without giving any extra growth.

by failure do you mean 'maxing out' where you keep increasing the weight until you can't lift anymore?

 

[shmoe]

I think the term "bulking" is tied up with the old myth that fat turns into muscle. The idea is usually to eat lots and you'll gain some fat, but also gain muscle easily. Since a lot of people were born believing fat goes to muscle and vice versa, I think it makes this concept easy to believe.

Believing fat turns into muscle is not at all the mentality of anyone I've ever known who "bulks". Their usual idea was to have plenty of excess calories availble to build muscle without worrying about keeping fat gain down. This isn't a ticket to eat whatever junk you want, just not bothering to limit your calorie intake while still eating healthy food. It seemed to work pretty well as far as building strength and muscle were concerned. Common sense seems like this is an easier way to ensure you are never lacking enough nutrients to build muscle then if you try to eat *just enough* for your bodies needs, you don't have to worry about standing on the line if you just ignore it and go well beyond it.

The next part of the plan was to try an lose as much fat as possible while minimizing muscle loss. This never really worked as expected with my friends, it's not terribly easy having to limit your food intake after months of free eating and they would never come close to dropping as much fat as they had planned.

I never bother with any of this though, just eat as much as I crave and try to keep the food mostly healthy.

You mentioned 12-grain bread going bad- use the freezer! Ok, it depends on what you're going to do with it, but I mostly turn it into peanut butter toast and I can't notice much of a difference when it starts frozen compared to fresh.

 

[Azael]

by failure do you mean 'maxing out' where you keep increasing the weight until you can't lift anymore?

nah I mean like not lifting until you can not push another rep.

Lets say you can do 10 reps with 200ibs in the bench. The tenth rep is the absolut last rep you can possibly do and you have to struggle a lot to get it up. Now what I am saying is that you should stop at the 9th rep even though you can do 10 reps if you push with all you got.
Stop one rep before failure. But not before that. Or at the most take the last set of the exercise to failure, but not every set.

Its much better to for instance do 5 sets of 3 reps where you don't reach failure until the last rep of the last set. Thats the best and safest way to gain strenght.

 

[JasonRox]

Believing fat turns into muscle is not at all the mentality of anyone I've ever known who "bulks".

That's not what I meant. I meant that it probably stems from the old myth of fat turns into muscle. That doesn't imply they believe that myth.

Anyways, I know what cutting and bulking is all about.

I disagree with it because I find it very inefficient. I'm not surprised it didn't work well for your friends.