Criminology - Find a Stainer to Identify Thieves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the idea of using a chemical stain to identify thieves in a school setting, specifically through the use of an MP3 player that would mark the thief's hands. Participants explore the feasibility of creating or finding such a stainer and consider alternative methods for theft prevention and identification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an MP3 player treated with a chemical that stains hands to identify the thief, emphasizing the need for the stain to last at least a week.
  • Another participant proposes that a stain visible under UV light might be easier to detect.
  • A third participant mentions ninhydrin as a potential option, noting its staining properties upon direct contact and the time it takes to fade.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of the chemical approach, with a participant questioning the potential for non-culprits to be caught and suggesting that thieves might adapt their behavior to avoid detection.
  • There is a suggestion that using a candid camera might be a more effective method for identifying thieves than relying on chemical staining.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and practicality of using a chemical stain versus other methods, such as surveillance. There is no consensus on the best approach to address the thefts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for thieves to alter their behavior in response to the chemical approach and the challenges in ensuring the stain remains effective without being removed by cleaning agents.

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There have been a rash of thefts in my school in the last year. My father, a chemist, put me onto the idea of placing an MP3 player, treated with a chemical that would stain hands or otherwise identify the thief, in hopes of the thief taking it and therefore, unwittingly, marking himself. Obviously, this stainer would need to remain on the skin for at least a week, provided no chemical cleaners are applied.

However, after a look on Google, it was suprisingly hard to find such a stainer. Does anyone know of one?

We have a chemistry lab, so if it's possible to mix this stain together manually, a description would come in handy.
 
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Something visible in UV may be easier to find.
 
From Boichem classes and accidental exposure you may want to look at somthing like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninhydrin"

stains on direct contact and takes time to fade
 
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So the idea here is that the students are going to be screened in some methodical way after the MP3 player has disappeared from a common theft spot? Here's a scenario

An individual who was not originally the culprit becomes tempted and eventually gets caught with the screening, news of this protocol spreads, and then those original culprits can merely modify their behavior and apply the right cleansing agents.

The students need to keep those devices to themselves, it is their fault ultimately if it gets stolen. Perhaps a candid camera approach is better. With the chemical approach the individual that got caught may simply claim that another student sold it to them, and things are going to get complicating.
 

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