Curvature of Space in the Context of Cosmology

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of curvature in cosmology, specifically the relationship between the curvature denoted as ##\kappa## and Gaussian curvature. Participants explore the implications of constant curvature in relation to homogeneity and isotropy of space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the curvature ##\kappa## is different from Gaussian curvature, suggesting that ##\kappa## applies specifically to homogeneous and isotropic spaces.
  • There is a suggestion that the term "constant" in curvature implies homogeneity and isotropy, with some participants agreeing on this point.
  • One participant asserts that the existence of ##\kappa## implies an isotropic homogeneous universe, indicating a potential misunderstanding among others regarding its implications.
  • Another participant clarifies that the sign of the constant Gaussian curvature in homogeneous and isotropic spaces is dependent on a specific choice of coordinates, which separates the sign from the scaling of distances.
  • It is noted that only homogeneous and isotropic spaces exhibit the same Gaussian curvature everywhere, which allows for the separation of the sign of Gaussian curvature from the scaling.
  • A participant presents a formula relating Gaussian curvature ##K## to ##\kappa## and the radius of curvature ##R##, indicating a mathematical relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between ##\kappa## and Gaussian curvature, with some agreeing on the implications of constant curvature while others seek clarification on these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the distinctions and implications of these types of curvature.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference previous discussions and threads, indicating that some assumptions may not have been fully articulated or agreed upon. The relationship between curvature types and their definitions appears to be a point of contention.

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Recently I asked a question about the curvature of the universe.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/constant-curvature-and-about-its-meaning.977841/

In that context I want to ask something else.

Is this curvature (##\kappa##) different than the Gaussian Curvature ? Like it seems that we are using ##\kappa# for only homogeneous and isotropic spaces.

I guess the crucial point is being "constant " right. The "constant" implies homogeneity and isotropy ?

We can have curvature for any space but only the constant curvature ones will be homogeneous and isotropic ?
 
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Arman777 said:
I guess the crucial point is being "constant " right. The "constant" implies homogeneity and isotropy ?

We can have curvature for any space but only the constant curvature ones will be homogeneous and isotropic ?
Wasn't this already answered in the other thread?
Orodruin said:
The existence of ##\kappa## at all implies an isotropic homogeneous universe.
I'm not really sure what you mean.
 
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Arman777 said:
Is this curvature (##\kappa##) different than the Gaussian Curvature ?

It is the sign (positive, negative, or zero) of the (constant) Gaussian curvature of a homogeneous and isotropic space. As @Orodruin said in the other thread, this depends on a particular choice of coordinates, in which the sign ##\kappa## is separated from the scaling of distances; the actual Gaussian curvature depends on the scaling of distances as well as the sign.

Arman777 said:
it seems that we are using ##\kappa## for only homogeneous and isotropic spaces.

Yes, because only homogenous and isotropic spaces have the same Gaussian curvature everywhere, so only those spaces permit the kind of choice of coordinates that allows you to separate the sign of the Gaussian curvature from the scaling, as discussed above.
 
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I see it now, ##K = \kappa/R^2##Where ##K# is the Gaussian Curvature.
 

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