Dark matter highlights extra dimensions

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Recent discussions highlight the potential link between dark matter and extra dimensions, suggesting that three additional spatial dimensions may influence gravitational effects at very short distances. Some physicists, including Lisa Randall, express skepticism about using astronomical observations as definitive evidence for extra dimensions, labeling the proposal as speculative. Critics argue that while alternative theories like weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs) are also speculative, they may provide a more grounded explanation than purely hypothetical constructs. The debate centers on whether current models adequately explain phenomena like galaxy rotation curves or if a more fundamental understanding of gravity is needed. Ultimately, the conversation reflects ongoing tensions in theoretical physics regarding the balance between empirical evidence and speculative frameworks.
  • #31
SpaceTiger said:
I may also have given a false impression of my views of alternative gravity. In fact, I don't think GR is the whole picture and I do think we'll have to alter gravity eventually. However, I get a bit irked with people who simply assume the truth of theories that have a lot of mathematical elegance. There are so many cases in the history of science where we've gone horribly wrong by trying to force our philosophical prejudices on nature. Geocentric models of the solar system, creationism, "ether", steady-state universes...the list goes on and on.

Yes I agree completely - that's what the scientific process is all about :smile:

Although of course some argue that the "ether" isn't completely dead - like Maurizio Consoli :rolleyes:


SpaceTiger said:
However, I would be committing the same sin to reject these theories outright, so let's just agree to withhold judgement for the time being.

Yes I don't think we have any fundamental disagreement - I just have some further maths to learn in areas from cosmology to QM before I can put anything forward for serious consideration. :bugeye:

Simon
 
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  • #32
There are many cases of the present LCDM model being verified or confirmed by observations, but the trick is to find ways that this model and any others might be falsified.

You can always add another 'epicycle' to keep a theory on track, then mathematical and conceptual elegance and beauty may play an important part in identifying the way to go.

Garth
 
  • #33
poor little Earth monkeys-

dark matter= computronium (^___^)
 
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  • #34
Garth said:
There are many cases of the present LCDM model being verified or confirmed by observations, but the trick is to find ways that this model and any others might be falsified.

Yes and that's the scientific process. I'd prefer to employ whatever common sense I have left at my disposal to understand the reality - and then subject it to any kind of falsification that relies on truth and reality and the likes. If its wrong I'm the first person to want to know !

Garth said:
You can always add another 'epicycle' to keep a theory on track, then mathematical and conceptual elegance and beauty may play an important part in identifying the way to go.


:smile:

Poor old Ptolemy. At least he knew the world was round and not flat. Some people still find the idea that he was mainstream educated thought in the time of Columbus controversial...
 
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  • #35
um simon- it was just a little illuminating and interesting [to me] joke [ a natural idea based on the ideas in my sticky thread ]- and you are clearly an obsessive- there is no excuse for your offensive personal attacks-

if you actually did read the essays on my website and my post history here you will see that I do contribute mature and insightful ideas to this forum and that my contributions are generally well reguarded by the members and mods even when I go a little off the deep end [because I do it honestly and never allow myself to get fully suckered by crack-pottery- I'm sure that Warren would have disapproved of my comment- but ultimately it WAS just a joke]- you need to step back and put away the straw-man

and I expect an APOLOGY
 
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  • #36
SimonA said:
Who are you ? What is your comment and how is it in any way relevant to this thread ? Donkeys have more honesty and dilligence than you. Cats are more dignified than you.

But most of all, I find monkeys to be interesting creatures, far more so than anything you manage to come up with in your seemingly nerdy little world. If you have an interesting view on technical IT related subjects then post them and then people may be interested in your opinion on things. But posting that link as your comment was clearly a sign of immaturity. I'm surprised a place like this has let your comment stand for so long - the people I have been discussing things with here are real people with a determination to understand things. Where do you fit into that ?

Alright, now I think you're crazy.
 
  • #37
setAI said:
um simon- it was just a little illuminating and interesting [to me] joke [ a natural idea based on the ideas in my sticky thread ]

Appologies SetAI - I didn't get your joke at all. Still don't actually but there was no need for me to reply as I did.

Looking over that sticky thread I do find this interesting -> http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0503/0503073.pdf
 
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  • #38
SpaceTiger said:
Alright, now I think you're crazy.

I agree completely :smile:
 
  • #39
And not a snit about the solid evidence that blows SimonA's ramblings out of the water? e.g., Supernova SNe Ia light curves? CMBR blackbody profile? Standard Candles? Primordial elemental abundance? Lyman Alpha Forest? Gunn-Peterson Trough? Large scale structure? ... and I'm only addressing the observational evidence. Cripes.
 

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