Dark matter not found in globular clusters orbiting MilkyWay

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The discussion centers around the presence or absence of dark matter in globular clusters orbiting the Milky Way Galaxy compared to satellite galaxies. Participants explore the implications of gravitational effects attributed to dark matter and question the methods used to distinguish between these astronomical entities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why globular clusters would lack dark matter while satellite galaxies do, questioning the implications of this distinction.
  • One participant asserts that globular clusters and galaxies can be visually distinguished without needing to consider dark matter, suggesting that the original claim is unfounded.
  • Another participant raises the question of how accurately dark matter can be measured in globular clusters, introducing skepticism about measuring something that is still considered hypothetical.
  • A later reply proposes that dark matter could be inferred by measuring the total mass of a globular cluster and subtracting the mass of the stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the presence of dark matter in globular clusters versus satellite galaxies. There are competing views regarding the methods of distinguishing these entities and the implications of dark matter's hypothetical nature.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the measurement of dark matter, highlighting the hypothetical status of dark matter and the challenges in quantifying it within globular clusters.

Gordon Potter IV
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On the podcast “Skeptics Guide to the Universe”, host, Steven Novella mentioned that astronomers can tell the difference between globular clusters orbiting the Milky Way Galaxy and satellite galaxies by looking to see if there is the gravitational effects of dark matter. Why would this be? That there is no dark matter in GC’s orbiting MW but satellite galaxies do? And isn’t this a good clue as to what dark matter may be or at least eliminate some ideas? I was unable to find any further info online, and thought this might be the right place to learn more.
Thank you
 
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'Dark matter' is a placeholder name for stuff which has mass like normal matter, but is not visible.
That is, it does not interact with the electromagnetic field
Enough dark matter though produces gravitational effects which have been observed.
We don't know what it is, but it's being worked on experimentally.
The wiki summary is OK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
 
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Gordon Potter IV said:
On the podcast “Skeptics Guide to the Universe”, host, Steven Novella mentioned that astronomers can tell the difference between globular clusters orbiting the Milky Way Galaxy and satellite galaxies by looking to see if there is the gravitational effects of dark matter. Why would this be?

Hi there
welcome to PF :smile:


Sorry, but that's rubbish ... globulars and galaxies are very different looking visually ... you don't need to use any other exotic method to distinguish their difference, like that guy is suggesting

regards
Dave
 
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davenn said:
Hi there
welcome to PF :smile:


Sorry, but that's rubbish ... globulars and galaxies are very different looking visually ... you don't need to use any other exotic method to distinguish their difference, like that guy is suggesting

regards
Dave

That does not answer Gordon Potter IV's question the way I read it. Why do globular clusters lack dark matter?

I'll add the further question, "how accurately can you measure the dark matter in a globular cluster?"
 
stefan r said:
That does not answer Gordon Potter IV's question the way I read it. Why do globular clusters lack dark matter?

That wasn't the Q

this was ...

On the podcast “Skeptics Guide to the Universe”, host, Steven Novella mentioned that astronomers can tell the difference between globular clusters orbiting the Milky Way Galaxy and satellite galaxies by looking to see if there is the gravitational effects of dark matter. Why would this be?

he never stated
Why do globular clusters lack dark matter?
that is YOUR statement
 
stefan r said:
I'll add the further question, "how accurately can you measure the dark matter in a globular cluster?"

how can you measure something, that is still hypothetical ... accurately or otherwise ?
 
By measuring the total mass and subtracting the mass of the stars.
 
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