DE 19 t^3y'+4t^2y=e^{-t} y(-1)=1,t>0

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation $t^3y'+4t^2y=e^{-t}$ with the initial condition $y(-1)=1$ for $t>0$. Participants engage in rewriting the equation, computing integrating factors, and integrating to find the solution, while addressing potential typos and clarifying steps in the solution process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant rewrites the differential equation and computes the integrating factor as $u(t)=t^4$.
  • Several participants confirm the correctness of the integrating factor and derive the equation $t^4y'+4t^3y=te^{-t}$.
  • There is a discussion about integrating the equation and isolating $y$, with some participants providing similar steps and expressions for $y$.
  • One participant questions why the constant of integration was not divided by $t^4$ when isolating $y$.
  • Another participant presents an alternative form of the solution, suggesting $y(t)=\frac{c_1-e^{-t}(t+1)}{t^4}$ and states that $y(-1)=c_1=1$ leads to a specific solution.
  • There are mentions of discrepancies with the initial value stated, which may lead to differences in the final results compared to book answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps to solve the differential equation, but there are disagreements regarding the initial value and its implications on the final solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the initial condition and its effect on the solution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the initial value of $y(-1)$, which some participants assert is incorrect, leading to differing results. The domain of $t$ is also noted as $t<0$ for one participant, which may affect the context of the solution.

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$t^3y'+4t^2y=e^{-t},\quad y(-1)=1,\quad t>0$
rewrite
$y'+\dfrac{4}{t}y=\dfrac{e^{-t}}{t^3}$
$u(t)=e^{\int 4/t \, dt}=e^{4\ln \left|t\right|}=t^4$first bold steps...
typos?
 

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It appears that you've correctly computed the integrating factor, which then gives you:

$$t^4y'+4t^3y=te^{-t}$$

$$\frac{d}{dt}(t^4y)=te^{-t}$$

Now integrate w.r.t \(t\) :)
 
MarkFL said:
It appears that you've correctly computed the integrating factor, which then gives you:

$$t^4y'+4t^3y=te^{-t}$$

$$\frac{d}{dt}(t^4y)=te^{-t}$$

Now integrate w.r.t \(t\) :)

$(t^4y)'=te^{-t}$
IBP$t^4y=-e^{-t}t-e^{-t}+C$
isolate y$y=\dfrac{-e^{-t}t}{t^4}-\dfrac{e^{-t}}{t^4}+C$$y(-1)=1$ so
$y(-1)=\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}-\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}+C=1$hopefully...
 
karush said:
$(t^4y)'=te^{-t}$
IBP$t^4y=-e^{-t}t-e^{-t}+C$
isolate y$y=\dfrac{-e^{-t}t}{t^4}-\dfrac{e^{-t}}{t^4}+C$$y(-1)=1$ so
$y(-1)=\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}-\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}+C=1$hopefully...
Yup.

-Dan
 
So now write down what the solution to the DE is and you're done.
 
karush said:
$(t^4y)'=te^{-t}$
IBP$t^4y=-e^{-t}t-e^{-t}+C$
isolate y$y=\dfrac{-e^{-t}t}{t^4}-\dfrac{e^{-t}}{t^4}+C$$y(-1)=1$ so
$y(-1)=\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}-\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}+C=1$hopefully...

When you isolated \(y\), why didn't you divide the parameter (constant of integration) by \(t^4\)? Also, the domain is \(t<0\) for #19. :)
 
So like this
$y=\dfrac{-e^{-t}t}{t^4}-\dfrac{e^{-t}}{t^4}+\dfrac{c}{t^4}$
$$y(-1)=\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}-\cancel{\dfrac{e^{1}}{1}}+\dfrac{c}{1}=1$$
 
I would likely have written:

$$t^4y=c_1-e^{-t}(t+1)$$

$$y(t)=\frac{c_1-e^{-t}(t+1)}{t^4}$$

And then:

$$y(-1)=c_1=1$$

Hence, the solution to the given IVP is:

$$y(t)=\frac{1-e^{-t}(t+1)}{t^4}$$
 

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karush said:
Here is the book answers

You incorrectly stated the initial value, so that's why the difference in the result I posted vs. that of the book.
 

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