Dealing with Bat Poop: Bleach Removes Stains Quickly

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The discussion centers around the effectiveness of bleach in removing stains caused by bat droppings on a sidewalk. Participants explore the chemical interactions involved, the effects of dilution, and potential experimental approaches to understand the observed phenomena. The conversation includes theoretical considerations regarding pH and the reactivity of bleach.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while bleach removes stains quickly, diluting it by a factor of five results in no noticeable effect, raising questions about the expected relationship between concentration and cleaning efficacy.
  • Another participant suggests that the dilution reduces the number of bleach molecules available to interact with the chromophore in the bat droppings, implying a need for controlled experiments to assess the effectiveness of different bleach concentrations.
  • A different perspective introduces the idea of pH dependency, indicating that bleach's reactivity varies with pH levels, which could influence its cleaning ability against bat droppings.
  • One participant mentions the potential for using decoy predators to deter bats, shifting the focus from cleaning to prevention.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the effectiveness of bleach and its interaction with bat droppings, but no consensus is reached on the underlying reasons for the observed cleaning efficacy or the best experimental approach to investigate it.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the chemical properties of bleach, including its pH levels and the forms it takes at different pH values, but the implications of these factors remain unresolved. There is also mention of potential health risks associated with bat droppings, although this is not the primary focus of the discussion.

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A tall tree looms over my property. Bats eat its fruit then dump their purple poop on my sidewalk. Bleach removes the stains in seconds. But dilute the bleach by a factor of five and nothing happens. I thought it would take five times longer to have the same effect. Nope, nothing doing. Can anyone suggest an experiment that might explain this?
 
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Hornbein said:
A tall tree looms over my property. Bats eat its fruit then dump their purple poop on my sidewalk. Bleach removes the stains in seconds. But dilute the bleach by a factor of five and nothing happens. I thought it would take five times longer to have the same effect. Nope, nothing doing. Can anyone suggest an experiment that might explain this?
Bleach interacts with the chromophore, the coloured part of the molecule, in your case fruit juice/ cells.

Diluting it down just has less effect, less molecules are effected to the point where you cannot notice it.

You would need to take concentrations of bleach using the same concentration of bat faeces to assess it.

What species of fruit bat is it?

Animal faeces can make good compost but I would be wary with bats because of possibility of diseases

https://www.crittercontrol.com/wildlife/bats/bat-guano

EDIT. Info on UK bats and disease but globally a different matter

https://www.bats.org.uk/about-bats/bats-and-disease
 
Hornbein said:
A tall tree looms over my property. Bats eat its fruit then dump their purple poop on my sidewalk.
Natural enemies/predators of fruit bats are owls, hawks, falcons, cats, etc. You might consider putting some decoy predators up in the tree to keep the bats away...

https://a-z-animals.com/blog/bat-predators-what-eats-bats/
 
There could be some pH effect happening.
Bleach has a pH dependancy, it more reactive below 6.8.
At alkaline pH values of about 8.5 or higher, more than 90 percent of the bleach is in the form of the chlorite ion (OCl-), which is relatively ineffective antimicrobially. At acidic pH values of about 6.8 or lower, more than 80 percent of the bleach is in the form of hypochlorite (HOCl).
Bleach is typically around pH 11.

The particular proportions of bat poop and bleach could result in different pH solutions that could affect its ability to clean (based on bleach's oxidizing ability).

On the other hand, some of bleach's cleaning ability is just due to its high pH.
 

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