Define the double factorial as being a continous, non-hybrid function

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The discussion revolves around defining the double factorial as a continuous, non-hybrid function, exploring its extension beyond positive integers to real values in the domain of [-1, ∞). Participants examine various mathematical approaches and functions that could represent the double factorial in this broader context.

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  • One participant defines the double factorial for positive integers and suggests extending it to real values, questioning the feasibility of such a function.
  • Another participant notes that there will be a discontinuity in second and higher derivatives at n=1, indicating that single interpolation is not possible.
  • A participant introduces the gamma function as a potential tool for continuous extension, detailing its properties and relationships to the double factorial.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of certain formulas when z is even, with suggestions for alternative formulations for even and odd cases.
  • A specific function is proposed that could serve as a continuous extension for the double factorial, though its standardization is questioned.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and applicability of various proposed functions for the double factorial, indicating that multiple competing models remain without consensus on a single solution.

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Participants highlight limitations regarding the continuity of derivatives and the need for distinct formulations for even and odd cases, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Define ##x!!## as being a continuous, non-hybrid function over the domain of ##[-1, \infty)##
The double factorial, ##n!## (not to be confused with ##(n!)!##), can be defined for positive integer values like so:
$$n!=n(n−2)(n−4)(n−6)...(n-a)$$
Where ##(n−a)=1## if ##n## is odd or ##(n−a)=2## if ##n## is even. Additionally, the definition of the double factorial extends such that ##(-1)!=0!=1##

I'm curious as to if it would be possible to definite a function which not only accurately evaluates all integer values for ##n!##, ##n \geq -1##, but also allows you to calculate the value of any real value of ##n## over the domain ##[-1, \infty)##
 
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Will be a discontinuity in second and higher derivatives at n=1. Therefore, single (not piece-wise) interpolation is not possible.
 
You can also continuously extend a function defined on a discrete set, but here's a concrete approach. I assume you're familiar with the gamma function ##\Gamma(z)=\int_0^{\infty} x^{z-1}e^{-x}dx## which satisfies ##\Gamma(n)=(n-1)!## when ##n## is a nonnegative integer.

There is the duplication formula ##\Gamma(z)\Gamma(z+1/2)=2^{1-2z}\sqrt{\pi} \ \Gamma(2z)##. When ##z=n## is a non-negative integer, this gives

##\Gamma(n+1/2)=\sqrt{\pi} \ 2^{1-2n}\frac{(2n-1)!}{(n-1)!}=\sqrt{\pi} \ 2^{-n} \frac{(2n-1)!}{2^{n-1}(n-1)!}=\sqrt{\pi} \ 2^{-n} (2n-1)!##

Rearranging, we find that the function ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi}}2^{(1+z)/2}\Gamma(z/2+1)## is equal to ##z!## when ##z## is an odd (positive) integer. As far as I can tell, this is the standard analytic continuation of ##(2n-1)!##. Unfortunately, this formula is false when ##z## is even.

I found a stackexchange answer (https://math.stackexchange.com/ques...ion-of-factorial-be-done-for-double-factorial)
which gives the function ##2^{(1+2z-\cos(\pi z))/4}\pi^{(\cos(\pi z)-1)/4}\Gamma(z/2+1).## When ##z## is odd, this is just the function I gave above. When ##z=2n## is even, it gives ##2^nn!=(2n)!##. I don't think this is standard though.
 
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Infrared said:
Unfortunately, this formula is false when ##z## is even.
For even ##z## one could use ##(2n)!=2^nn!##. A similar easy function is ##(2n-1)!=\dfrac{(2n)!}{2^nn!} ##. That leaves us with the problem to find one function for both cases, in which case we could simply substitute the gamma function.
 
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Infrared said:
You can also continuously extend a function defined on a discrete set, but here's a concrete approach. I assume you're familiar with the gamma function ##\Gamma(z)=\int_0^{\infty} x^{z-1}e^{-x}dx## which satisfies ##\Gamma(n)=(n-1)!## when ##n## is a nonnegative integer.

There is the duplication formula ##\Gamma(z)\Gamma(z+1/2)=2^{1-2z}\sqrt{\pi} \ \Gamma(2z)##. When ##z=n## is a non-negative integer, this gives

##\Gamma(n+1/2)=\sqrt{\pi} \ 2^{1-2n}\frac{(2n-1)!}{(n-1)!}=\sqrt{\pi} \ 2^{-n} \frac{(2n-1)!}{2^{n-1}(n-1)!}=\sqrt{\pi} \ 2^{-n} (2n-1)!##

Rearranging, we find that the function ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi}}2^{(1+z)/2}\Gamma(z/2+1)## is equal to ##z!## when ##z## is an odd (positive) integer. As far as I can tell, this is the standard analytic continuation of ##(2n-1)!##. Unfortunately, this formula is false when ##z## is even.

I found a stackexchange answer (https://math.stackexchange.com/ques...ion-of-factorial-be-done-for-double-factorial)
which gives the function ##2^{(1+2z-\cos(\pi z))/4}\pi^{(\cos(\pi z)-1)/4}\Gamma(z/2+1).## When ##z## is odd, this is just the function I gave above. When ##z=2n## is even, it gives ##2^nn!=(2n)!##. I don't think this is standard though.
Thank you, a function like ##f(z)=2^{(1+2z-\cos(\pi z))/4}\pi^{(\cos(\pi z)-1)/4}\Gamma(z/2+1)## is exactly what I was looking for. I wonder if it would be able to define a similar such function for the tripple factorial.
 

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