Derealization parts of brain? (schizophrenia)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of derealization, particularly in the context of schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder (DID). Participants explore the potential neurological underpinnings and the complexity of brain functions related to the perception of reality.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Exploratory, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that certain brain regions may contribute to the experience of derealization in schizophrenia and DID.
  • Others caution against attributing derealization solely to specific anatomical parts of the brain, emphasizing the complexity of brain function and psychological states.
  • One participant references an NIH article discussing how the brain perceives reality, expressing interest in the topic despite acknowledging the rarity of DID.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of identifying a specific brain locus for "awareness of reality," suggesting that various conditions and drug use can alter perceptions of reality.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of fMRI studies, with one participant labeling it as "junk science" and questioning the validity of potential blood tests related to perceptions of reality.
  • There is a suggestion that the degree of connection a person feels to the world may influence their functionality, with references to differences in brain scans between geniuses and autistic individuals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the neurological basis of derealization, with no consensus reached on the specific brain mechanisms involved or the reliability of current scientific methods to study these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of psychological and neurological interactions, indicating that assumptions about brain function and perception may be oversimplified. There are unresolved questions regarding the validity of scientific methods used to study these experiences.

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I have read people with schizophrenia and DID may experience thinking that the world has become less real. Are certain parts of the brain acting up that could be making reality seem less real?
 
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Extreme tiredness and fatigue can do that too for everybody so the function/issue should exists in some ways, but please, don't account everything to some 'certain parts' by default. Our brain/psyche/chemistry is complicated enough as-is without looking for some anatomic pieces right away...
 
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LightningInAJar said:
I have read
Where?

I hope it isn't "I know a guy who knows a guy".
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Where?

I hope it isn't "I know a guy who knows a guy".
No it was an NIH article. I realize DID is quite rare and many think it's a false diagnosis, but the idea of how the brain accepts things as real outside of itself is very interesting to me.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...sense that your body,not be your own memories

This isn't what I read before but it describes the condition even outside of a clinical diagnosis.
 
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LightningInAJar said:
how the brain accepts things as real outside of itself
I'm a solipsist. Why are you bothering me.
But seriously.
Do you really think we are anywhere close to asigning a brain locus to "awareness of reality" ?
 
hutchphd said:
I'm a solipsist. Why are you bothering me.
But seriously.
Do you really think we are anywhere close to asigning a brain locus to "awareness of reality" ?
Well certain conditions make things seem less real, some drug use makes people think things are "realer than real." There must be blood tests and fmri data on people in these conditions to show evidence as to a cause?
 
I'm quite certain that fMRI could be made to show anything you want it to show. (It is junk science IMHO). What "blood tests" can you administer to ascertain "realer than real"? I do not think we can get there from here.
 
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I'm quite certain that fMRI could be made to show anything you want it to show. (It is junk science IMHO). What "blood tests" can you administer to ascertain "realer than real"? I do not think we can get there from here.
Do you imagine how connected a person feels to the world is reflected in how functional they are? Perhaps geniuses feel particularly connected to external reality? Meanwhile autistic people might have trouble breaking through? I know genius and autistic brains have been scanned with one imaging type or another.
 
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