Derivation of an integral identity from the kdv equation.

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of an integral identity related to the stationary Korteweg-de Vries (KdV) equation. Participants explore whether this identity can be derived without relying on the explicit solution of the equation, focusing on theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant presents the stationary KdV equation and its solution, along with an integral identity that the solution satisfies.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the identity by evaluating both sides using the explicit solution, leading to a discrepancy.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the identity being a consequence of the form of the solution rather than its status as a solution to the ODE.
  • A participant proposes a method involving assumptions about the behavior of the solution at infinity and derives a relationship involving the solution and its derivatives.
  • Another participant shares a similar derivation approach, emphasizing the use of boundary conditions and specific mathematical identities to arrive at the integral identity.
  • One participant concludes that it is indeed possible to derive the identity without the explicit form of the solution, provided certain boundary conditions are specified.

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There is no consensus on the derivation method, as participants present differing approaches and results. Some participants agree on the possibility of deriving the identity without the explicit solution, while others maintain that the explicit form is necessary for verification.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions needed for the derivation and the implications of boundary conditions on the results. The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationships involved in the derivation process.

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Hi everybody! First post!(atleast in years and years).
The stationary KdV equation given by
$$ 6u(x)u_{x} - u_{xxx} = 0 $$.
It has a solution given by
$$ \bar{u}(x)=-2\sech^{2}(x) + \frac{2}{3} $$
This solution obeys the indentity
$$ \int_{0}^{z}\left(\bar{u}(y) - \frac{2}{3}\right)\int_{0}^{y}\left(\bar{u}(x) - \frac{2}{3}\right)dxdy = \bar{u}(z) + \frac{4}{3} $$

Is it possible to derive this kind of identity without using the explicit form of the solution ##\bar{u}(x) ##? That is only by using the fact that ##\bar{u}(x) ## is a solution to (1). I tried differentiating (3) thrice on the left side but that generates a lot of different terms for which it is hard to use (1) to simplify. I really need some hints for this problem.

Thank you in advance :)
 
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Strum said:
Hi everybody! First post!(atleast in years and years).
The stationary KdV equation given by
$$ 6u(x)u_{x} - u_{xxx} = 0 $$.
It has a solution given by
$$ \bar{u}(x)=-2\sech^{2}(x) + \frac{2}{3} $$
This solution obeys the indentity
$$ \int_{0}^{z}\left(\bar{u}(y) - \frac{2}{3}\right)\int_{0}^{y}\left(\bar{u}(x) - \frac{2}{3}\right)dxdy = \bar{u}(z) + \frac{4}{3} $$

Are you sure? The left hand side is, using the express solution, <br /> 4 \int_0^z \mathrm{sech}^2 (y) \int_0^y \mathrm{sech}^2 (x) \,dx\,dy<br /> = 4 \int_0^z \mathrm{sech}^2 (y) \tanh (y)\,dy = 2\tanh^2 (z) = 2(1 + \mathrm{sech}^2 (z)) but the right hand side is
2(1 - \mathrm{sech}^2(z)).
 
## \tanh(x)^{2} = 1- \sech(x)^{2} ##
 
Strum said:
## \tanh(x)^{2} = 1- \sech(x)^{2} ##

Oops :blushing:

On further analysis, I suspect that the integral identity is a consequence of \bar u - \frac23 being a multiple of \mathrm{sech}^2(x), not of \bar u being a solution of the ODE.

If you look for solutions of the ODE which satisfy u&#039;&#039; \to 0, u&#039; \to 0 and u \to u_0 as |x| \to \infty then integrating once yields <br /> 3u^2 = u&#039;&#039; + 3u_0^2. Multiplying by u&#039; and integrating once more yields <br /> \frac12 u&#039;^2 = u^3 - 3u_0^2u + 2u_0^3 = (u - u_0)^2(u + 2u_0). A further messy integration yields u(x) = u_0 - 3u_0 \mathrm{sech}^2 \left(\sqrt{\frac{3u_0}{2}} x\right).
 
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I have worked out how to get the identity. We start from <br /> \frac12 u&#039;^2 = (u - u_0)^2(u + 2u_0) and make two assumptions: firstly that -2u_0 \leq u(x) &lt; u_0 and secondly that u(x) attains its minimum at x = 0. Thus u&#039;(x) &gt; 0 in x &gt; 0 and u(0) = -2u_0.

Starting from <br /> \frac12 u&#039;^2 = (u - u_0)^2(u + 2u_0) we take the square root and divide by u + 2u_0 to obtain <br /> \frac{u&#039;}{\sqrt 2 \sqrt{u + 2u_0}} = u_0 - u. Integrating once then yields <br /> \left[\sqrt{2}\sqrt{u(x) + 2u_0}\right]_0^y = -\int_0^y u(x) - u_0\,dx. Since by assumption u(0) + 2u_0 = 0 we have <br /> \sqrt{2}\sqrt{u(y) + 2u_0} = -\int_0^y u(x) - u_0\,dx. Multiplying by u_0 - u(y) then gives <br /> \sqrt{2}\sqrt{u(y) + 2u_0}(u_0 - u(y)) = u&#039;(y) = (u(y)- u_0) \int_0^y u(x) - u_0\,dx. A further integration then yields
<br /> u(z) - u(0) = \int_0^z (u(y)- u_0) \int_0^y u(x) - u_0\,dx\,dy<br /> and since u(0) = -2u_0 we obtain finally <br /> \int_0^z (u(y)- u_0) \int_0^y u(x) - u_0\,dx\,dy = u(z) + 2u_0 as required.
 
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Thank you very much! I've just this minute completed my own similar solution from the simplicfications you did earlier.
Start from
$$ \frac{u'^{2}}{(u-u_{0})^{2}} = 2(u + 2u_{0}) $$
Then use the identity $$\partial_{x}\left( \frac{u'}{u-u_{0}}\right) = \frac{u''}{u-u_{0}} - \frac{u'^{2}}{(u-u_{0})^{2}} $$ and
$$u'' = 3(u^{2}-u_{0}^{2}) $$
to find $$\partial_{x}\left( \frac{u'}{u-u_{0}}\right) = u-u_{0}$$
Integrate twice and we get
$$ u = \int_{0}^{z}(u(y) - u_{0})\left( \int_{0}^{y}(u(x) - u_{0} )dx+ u'(0)\right) dy + u(0) $$

So all in all the conclusion must be: yes, you can derive the identity without using the explicit form of ## \bar{u}## as long as we specify some boundary conditions. This was quite a nice problem :)
 

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