Derivative of a Convolution: Solving an ODE with an Integral Solution

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The discussion revolves around verifying a particular solution to a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) using an integral representation. Participants explore the differentiation of an integral with respect to time, specifically in the context of the ODE v' + (b/m)v = u/m.

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  • One participant presents an integral form of the particular solution and seeks to differentiate it with respect to time.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the differentiation process by introducing the concept of a small increment δt and how it relates to the function v(t).
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the substitution of "t+δt" for "t" and request further elaboration on the method being used.
  • A later reply explains that the approach involves taking the difference between v(t+δt) and v(t) to derive v', which is a standard differentiation technique.

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Participants generally agree on the need to differentiate the integral, but there is some confusion regarding the method of substitution and the notation used. The discussion remains unresolved as participants seek clarification on the differentiation process.

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There are limitations in understanding the notation and methods used for differentiation, which may depend on participants' familiarity with specific mathematical techniques.

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Hi,

I want to verify that the form of a particular solution satisfies the following ODE:

v' + (b/m)v = u/m

with

vpart= ∫e-(b/m)(t-r) (u(r)/m) dr

where the limits are from 0 to t

So I tried to differentiate v with respect to t, in order to substitute it back into the equation. But, how do you do that when the integral is with respect to r? Is there a need to change variables? How can you do this?

Cheers
 
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Shaybay92 said:
Hi,

I want to verify that the form of a particular solution satisfies the following ODE:

v' + (b/m)v = u/m

with

vpart= ∫e-(b/m)(t-r) (u(r)/m) dr

where the limits are from 0 to t. So I tried to differentiate v with respect to t,... How can you do this?
v(t) = ∫tf(t, r).dr
v(t+δt)= ∫t+δtf(t+δt, r).dr
= ∫tf(t+δt, r).dr + ∫tt+δtf(t+δt, r).dr
So v' = ∫t(d/dt)f(t, r).dr + f(t, t)
 
Sorry I'm not familiar with your method. I don't understand why you substitute "t+δt" for t. What approach are you using here? Could you elaborate or direct me to some further reading?

Cheers :)
 
Shaybay92 said:
Sorry I'm not familiar with your method. I don't understand why you substitute "t+δt" for t. What approach are you using here? Could you elaborate or direct me to some further reading?

Cheers :)
The equation you posted for v(t) is generic - i.e. it's true for all t. So it's true both for a given t and for a later time t+δt. So you can write a second equation substituting t+δt for t consistently. Taking the difference, diving by δt, then letting δt tend to zero gives you v'. That is the standard process of differentiation.
 
Oh I see what you mean. Thanks for the clarification. I'm just not use to this notation :)
 

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