Derive formula using Conservation of Energy and Momentum

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The problem involves a one-dimensional elastic collision between a ball and a car, where the conservation of energy and momentum principles are to be applied to derive a relevant formula. The scenario includes specific masses and velocities for both the ball and the car.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the correct formulation of equations related to conservation laws, with some attempting to establish the direction of motion and the implications for the equations. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the equations and the laws they represent.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the equations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the equations and their relation to conservation principles, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the definitions of positive and negative directions, as well as the specific conditions of an elastic collision. There is mention of a resource for further clarification, but no resolution has been reached.

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Homework Statement


Playing in the street, a child accidentally tosses a ball (mass m) with a speed of v=23 m/s toward the front of a car (mass M) that is moving directly toward him with a speed of V=20 m/s . Treat this collision as a 1-dimensional elastic collision. After the collision, the ball is moving with speed v′ back toward the child and the car is moving with speed V′ in its original direction.

My options are:
A) v + V = v' - V'
B) v - V = -v' + V'
C) v - V = v' -V'
D) v + V = -v' + V'

Homework Equations


Conservation of Energy
Conversation of Momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


I took the movement of the child's ball as the positive direction and the car's direction as the negative. So this would give me v - V = -v'-V' but that is not an option. Can someone point me in the proper direction?

EDIT:
For all of those coming for a quick answer for MasteringPhysics, the answer is v + V = v' -V'
 
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Unicorns812877 said:
would give me v - V = -v'-V'
No, it wouldn't. These are not momentum equations. What law does the (correct) equation represent?
 
haruspex said:
No, it wouldn't. These are not momentum equations. What law does the (correct) equation represent?
I want to say conservation of energy but I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around this question.
 
Unicorns812877 said:
I want to say conservation of energy but I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around this question.
The equation, in its more general form, is known as Newton's Experimental Law. The form here is for the special case where KE is conserved, i.e. the coefficient of restitution is 1. It can be derived from the laws of conservation of energy and momentum, but is simpler than either.
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_restitution.
 
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