Derive the limit of an expression (1+1/n)^n

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The discussion centers around deriving the limit of the expression (1 + 1/n)^n as n approaches infinity, with a focus on understanding how this limit relates to the mathematical constant e. Participants explore various definitions and approaches to demonstrate the convergence of the expression to e.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to derive the limit of (1 + 1/n)^n and acknowledges that it converges to e but seeks assistance in the derivation process.
  • Another participant suggests that a definition of e is necessary to derive the limit, questioning which definition is being used.
  • A different participant provides a derivation involving the derivative of a^x, explaining that e is defined such that the derivative of e^x equals e^x, leading to an approximation of e using limits.
  • One participant clarifies their intent to show that the limit converges to approximately 2.718 without relying on the definition of e, indicating a desire for a more direct approach.
  • Another participant proposes a series expansion approach to demonstrate the limit, detailing how terms in the series can be simplified and leading to the conclusion that the series converges to e.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for deriving the limit, with multiple approaches and definitions presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective way to demonstrate the limit's convergence to e.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of e and the convergence of series are not explicitly stated, and the mathematical steps in the derivations may depend on specific interpretations or approaches that are not universally agreed upon.

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i know that that the limit of this expression is e, but i don't know how to derive it...
i will be really grateful if someone could help me solve this problem
 
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You would need a definition of e other than that. Otherwise, you can just show that the limit converge and call it e.

So what definition of e do you use?
 
If a is any positive number then
[tex]lim_{h\rightarrow0}\frac{a^{x+h}-a^x}{h}= lim_{h\rightarrow0}\frac{a^xa^h- a^x}{h}[/tex]
[tex]= a^x lim{h\rightarrow0} \frac{a^h- 1}{h}[/tex]

In other words, ax has the nice property that its derivative is just a number (that limit) time ax itself.

We define e to be the number such that the derivative of ex is just ex- in other words so that that
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow0}\frac{e^h-1}{h}= 1[/tex].

That means that for small h,
[tex]\frac{e^h-1}{h}[/tex]
is approximately 1.

Let n= 1/h (more accurately the next integer larger than 1/h). Then
[tex]n\left(e^{\frac{1}{n}}-1\right)= 1[/tex]
approximately for large n with 1 being the limit as n goes to infinity.

Solve that for e: e is approximately
[tex]\left(1- \frac{1}{n}\right)^n[/tex]
with the limit being e as n goes to infinity.
 
i want to show that 2,718... [which is e] is the limit converge of that expression, I've posted my question in this 'strange' way to avoid getting answers such as "under the definition of e the limit converge of that expression is e".
hope u understand what I am talking about

Otherwise, you can just show that the limit converge and call it e.
thats what i trying to ask about
 
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Well, you can always proceed [tex]limn\rightarrow\infty(1+\frac{1}{n})^n=1+n(1/n)+(n)(n-1)(1/n^2)1/2!+n(n-1)(n-2)(1/n^3)1/3!+++[/tex]

Notice here that the numerator of each term we have the power of n that corresponds to the power in the demoninator, other than that, the numenator has lower powers of n and these can be eliminated since

[tex]limn\rightarrow\infty\frac{n-1}{n}=(n/n-1/n)\rightarrow1[/tex] (Here we have to consider that, for example, [tex]\frac{n(n-1)(n-2)}{n^33!}\leq1/3![/tex] We proceed to do this with every term in the series.

This leaves us with the series 1+1+1/2!+1/3!+1/4!+++

Now as my professor once said, e gets to its limit very fast. He added on the blackboard 1+1+1/2+1/6+1/24 +1/120+1/720+1/5040+1/43202=2.718.. (He did this all using decimals way before calculators.)
 
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got it, thanks
 

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