Deriving decomposition of transverse acceleration

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The discussion revolves around deriving the acceleration vector in polar coordinates from the velocity vector. The original poster presents their derived form of the acceleration vector and seeks clarification on simplifying a specific component to match a textbook version.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to simplify their derived transverse component of acceleration into a textbook form but expresses confusion over the simplification process.
  • Some participants suggest using the product rule and chain rule to facilitate the simplification.
  • Others discuss the validity of the relationship between the two forms of the transverse component of acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and guidance on the differentiation process. The original poster acknowledges the assistance and reflects on their understanding of the chain rule.

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The original poster notes that they have consulted multiple textbooks but found the explanations lacking, indicating a potential gap in understanding the simplification process.

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Homework Statement



The question asks one to derive the acceleration vector,

$$\vec{a} = [\frac{d^2r}{dt^2} - r(\frac{d\Theta}{dt})^2]\vec{u}_r + [\frac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dt}(r^2\frac{d\Theta }{dt})]\vec{u}_\Theta$$

from the velocity vector.

$$\vec{v} = \vec{u}_r\frac{dr}{dt} + \vec{u}_\Theta \frac{d\Theta }{dt}$$

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have had no problem deriving this version of the acceleration vector,

$$\vec{a} = [\frac{d^2r}{dt^2} - r(\frac{d\Theta}{dt})^2]\vec{u}_r + [2\frac{dr}{dt}\frac{d\Theta }{dt}+r\frac{d^2\Theta }{dt^2}]\vec{u}_\Theta$$

from the velocity vector. But I'm stumped on how one simplifies my version of the transverse component of acceleration,

$$2\frac{dr}{dt}\frac{d\Theta }{dt}+r\frac{d^2\Theta }{dt^2}$$

into the textbook's version.

$$\frac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dt}(r^2\frac{d\Theta }{dt})$$

Any chance someone could give me a hint? I've googled for an explanation without any success. I've also looked in two different textbooks, both of which just state that,

$$2\frac{dr}{dt}\frac{d\Theta }{dt}+r\frac{d^2\Theta }{dt^2} = \frac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dt}(r^2\frac{d\Theta }{dt})$$

without explaining why. I'm guessing the process of simplification is so basic that the texts just assume it needs no explaining, but the simplification eludes me and I'd really appreciate whatever help anyone could provide. Thanks.
 
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philipfisher said:
$$\frac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dt}(r^2\frac{d\Theta }{dt})$$

You can just use the standard product rule here (combined with the chain rule), remembering that r is a function of t.
 
Welcome to PF,

It's a case where, if you work backwards, you'll see that this relation is true:$$\frac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dt}(r^2\frac{d\Theta }{dt})$$

Differentiate using the product rule:$$= \frac{1}{r}\frac{d\Theta }{dt}\frac{d}{dt}(r^2) + \frac{1}{r}(r^2)\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{d\Theta }{dt}\right)$$ $$=\frac{1}{r}2r\frac{dr}{dt}\frac{d\Theta}{dt} + r\frac{d^2\Theta}{dt^2}$$

In the last step, in the leftmost term, r2 was differentiated using the chain rule

Edit: eventually you'll get adept at "reverse" differentiating things that are exact derivatives in your head, and something like this will be clear by inspection.
 
Thank you. I'd tried the process of working backward by differentiating the textbook answer, but completely forgot the need to use the chain rule when doing so. I really appreciate the help.
 

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