Deriving Jeans' Mass for Gravitational Collapse

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The discussion revolves around deriving the critical Jeans' mass for a hydrogen cloud of uniform density necessary for gravitational collapse, specifically relating it to the isothermal sound speed. Participants explore the relationship between pressure, temperature, and the variables involved in the derivation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the isothermal sound speed and its formula, questioning how it relates to the Jeans' mass. Some express uncertainty about starting the derivation and seek clarification on the derivation process and assumptions involved.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the derivation process, with some participants providing relevant formulas and context. While one participant expresses concern about reasoning in their derivation, another notes the lack of a complete derivation in their textbook, indicating a productive exchange of information.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the neglect of external pressure in the derivation of the Jeans' mass and the potential implications of this assumption. There is also a reference to a specific textbook that does not provide a derivation, which may limit the resources available for understanding the topic fully.

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I need to show that the critical (Jeans') mass for a hydrogen cloud of uniform density to begin gravitational collapse can be expressed as:

M=(v^4)/((P^.5)(G^1.5))

Where v is the isothermal sound speed, and P is the pressure associated with the density ρ and temperature T.

I don't really know where to start. I have found a lot of derivations for the Jeans' Mass, however, none of them relate to the isothermal speed of sound. I assume I have to do some algebraic manipulations, I just need some help getting started.

Thanks!
 
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my textbook tells me that the isothermal sound speed is

v_{T} = (\frac{kT}{\mu m_{H}})^{1/2}

and that the Jeans mass is

M_{J} = (\frac{5kT}{G\mu m_{H}})^{3/2} (\frac{3}{4\pi \rho})^{1/2}

but my text also tells me that this was derived while neglecting an external pressure on the cloud due to the surrounding interstellar medium.

Does that help?
 
If this is homework, it belongs in Homework and Coursework.
 
yes, that helps. with that info, i can derive the required jeans' mass, with some arbitrary coefficient before the variable terms.

my textbook hasn't arrived by mail yet, and i am worried about not giving enough reasoning behind my derivation. is there any way you can give me a little insight as to how your textbook arrives at those conclusions? as in, how your textbook arrived at what you gave for the jeans' mass and isothermal sound speed formulae?
 
my textbook is Carroll and Ostlie's Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, and they do not actually give the derivation for the equation that you've got. They call it the Bonnor-Ebert mass.
 
I guess the derivations you have seen use the virial theorem and temperature then?

Do you know what the relevant physics here is? Why does a clump of matter collapse if its mass is bigger than Jeans mass? Why it does not if the mass is smaller? That would be a good place to start :-)
 
thanks for the help, guys! i referenced the carrol/ostlie text and managed to get a near-perfect score on my problem set. =]
 

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