Deriving mgh from Newton's Law: Binomial Expansion

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The original poster attempts to derive the expression for gravitational potential energy, E = mgh, from Newton's law of gravitation using binomial expansion, specifically under the condition where height h is very small compared to the radius r.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial steps taken by the original poster, including the application of binomial expansion and the manipulation of gravitational potential energy. There are questions about the sign of the terms involved and the interpretation of the variables used.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the interpretation of gravitational potential energy versus force, suggesting a shift in focus to clarify the original poster's approach. There is an acknowledgment of the need to express gravitational acceleration in terms of the constants involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the reference level for gravitational potential and the implications of small height approximations in the derivation process. The original poster expresses a desire to follow a specific method they recall from a book.

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Homework Statement


Derive E=mgh from Newton's law of Gravitation where h is very small. (Use binomial expansion)

2. The attempt at a solution
E = \frac{GMm}{(r+h)^2}-\frac{GMm}{r^2}
E = \frac{GMm}{r^2}(\frac{1}{(1+\frac{h}{r})^2}-1)
E = \frac{GMm}{r^2}((1+\frac{h}{r})^{-2}-1)
E = \frac{GMm}{r^2}(1+\frac{-2h}{r}-1) Other powers of h/r becomes negligible for h<<r
E = \frac{GMm}{r^2}(\frac{-2h}{r})

Not sure where I went wrong or what to do next
Note:- I know this can be solved in a million other methods but I want the answer specifically from this method. I had a book which used this method and I can't remember how this method works out.
 
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The potential in Newtonian gravity is negative. You are taking potential(reference level) - potential(height h) instead of the other way around.
 
Okay so I will have 2h/r instead of -2h/r. Doesn't solve the problem though
 
Then what is your problem? It looks fine to me.
 
Instead of "2h/r", I should get "h" so I can rewrite the answer as mgh
 
Move 2/r from the h/r term to the term with G and M ...
 
so 1/r^2 will become 1/r^3.
 
Faiq said:
E = \frac{GMm}{(r+h)^2}-\frac{GMm}{r^2}
Start with gravitational PE, not force. (What you are calling "E" is force not energy.)
 
ohhhhhhhhhh
 
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Okay now I am getting GMm/r *h/r
 
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Oh okay done thanks
 
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Doc Al said:
Start with gravitational PE, not force. (What you are calling "E" is force not energy.)
True that. The same basic principle applies though. The entire point is expressing g in terms of G, M and r.
 
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Orodruin said:
The same basic principle applies though. The entire point is expressing g in terms of G, M and r.
Yep.
 

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