Deriving Position & Motion Functions of Moving Particles

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of position and motion functions for moving particles, particularly in the context of calculus and physics. Participants explore the origins of specific equations used in examples and their relation to Newtonian physics.

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  • One participant questions the source of position functions used in textbooks, suggesting they may not always be derived from Newtonian physics.
  • Another participant asserts that position functions in Newtonian physics are derived from Newton's laws, which are expressed as differential equations.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the derivation of specific equations, noting discrepancies between different examples of position functions.
  • A later reply introduces a general equation for linear position, incorporating terms for initial displacement, velocity, and acceleration, while explaining the significance of each term, including "jerk."

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the position functions are universally derived from Newtonian physics or if they are sometimes created independently by textbook authors. Multiple competing views remain regarding the derivation and application of these functions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about initial conditions, the applicability of certain terms in the equations, and the specific contexts in which different position functions are used.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics and calculus, particularly those exploring the foundations of motion equations and their derivations.

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Where do textbook authors get the formula for the position function or the function of a moving particle that are used as examples in solving derivatives? Here are examples:

[tex]s=t^3-6t^2-9t[/tex]

[tex]f(t)=t^2-10t+12[/tex]


I am interested on how to derive these kind of functions. How?
 
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What exactly are you asking? If you're talking about Newtonian physics, all the relations which describe the position of a particle are derived from Newton's law of motion, which is a differential equation.
 
I am interested to know how are those equations or functions were derived. Yes, these are equations in physics.

I wonder if they were made up by calculus textbook authors and were not based on Newtonian physics because sometimes the functions are not the same. For example:

Sometimes the position function is like this

[tex]s = 16t^2 - t[/tex]

then in the next example it would look like this

[tex]s = 16t^3-t^2-t-12[/tex]
 
I have never used LaTex before, so excuse me if this looks funny:

It depends on the situation. The general one dimensional equation for linear position is
x(t) = x0 + v0t + (1/2)a0t2 + (1/3)jt3

where x0 is the initial displacement, v0 is the initial velocity, and a0 is the initial acceleration. The cubed term represents the change in acceleration with respect to time and is called "jerk." For the reason why some terms are missing in your examples consider:
a particle that is initially at rest would have v0=0, a particle that starts at the origin would have x0=0 and so on.
 
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