Deriving the 2D KdV Equation for Overcoming Nonlinear Theory Challenges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the 2D Korteweg-de Vries (KdV) equation, also referred to as the Kadomtsev-Petviashvili (KP) equation. Participants explore challenges related to weakly nonlinear theory and the extension of the derivation to include additional factors such as surface tension and electrical fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks references or derivations for the 2D KdV equation, indicating they have completed the linear theory but face challenges in the weakly nonlinear stage.
  • Another participant references a paper by Johnson from 1980, suggesting it may contain relevant information for the derivation.
  • A participant expresses intent to extend the derivation to include surface tension and electrical fields, noting prior success in one dimension but challenges in two dimensions.
  • One participant mentions a footnote in a book by Drazin and Johnson that references the KdV equations, indicating that while the book discusses 2D solutions, it does not provide derivations.
  • A participant finds the referenced paper helpful in addressing their derivation challenges and notes that the linear problem for the 3D case was not significantly more difficult than the 2D case, although plotting solutions proved to be time-consuming.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the derivation process or the inclusion of additional factors, indicating that multiple competing views and unresolved challenges remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed derivations in referenced materials and the potential dependence on specific assumptions regarding the effects of surface tension and electrical fields in the derivation process.

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Does anyone know of a derivation or has a reference to the derivation of the 2D KdV equation (known as the KP equation I believe). I have done the linear theory for this problem and the results look good but the next stage is the weakly nonlinear theory and I am having trouble with a certain aspect of it.
 
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Johnson 1980 Water waves and Kortweg de Vries equations. J Fluid Mech, 97, 701-19
 
Okay, I can work with this, Cheers. As an aside I am trying to extend the derivation to include the effect of surface tension and an electrical field. I have done this for one dimension but I have yet to do this for two.

The odd thing is that I was in contact with Johnson about this and he never mentioned this paper of his, weird.
 
I haven't seen the paper itself - it came from a footnote at the bottom of page16 "for a review of one and two dimensional KDV equations..." of Drazin and Johnson.
The book itself treats 2D but only in solutions not derivations.
 
It's actually quite a good paper, it tells me how I can go about overcoming my problem with the derivation and in that sense it's a very good thing. The linear problem for the 3D case actually wasn't much harder than the 2D case. What took me a while was plotting the solutions but I have not overcome that and I have some very pretty wave pictures.
 

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