Detecting more than 1 exoplanet using Radial Velocity Method.

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The discussion focuses on the detection of multiple exoplanets orbiting a star using the radial velocity method. Participants explore the complexities of interpreting radial velocity curves when more than one planet is present, including the effects of orbital resonance and the challenges in distinguishing between different orbital configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a layman's explanation of how multiple planets affect a star's radial velocity curve, noting that it shows two periods due to the inner and outer planets.
  • Another participant explains that a single planet creates a sinusoidal graph of star velocity over time, while multiple planets superimpose their effects, resulting in a more complex graph.
  • It is mentioned that elliptical orbits produce different velocity graphs compared to circular orbits, but the principle of superimposing functions remains the same.
  • A participant notes that if the planets are in a 1:2 resonance, their orbits can be difficult to distinguish from a single planet on an elliptical orbit.
  • Further clarification is requested regarding the representation of planets in 1:2 resonance, with references to specific figures in an external document that illustrate the effects on the sinusoidal curves.
  • Another participant reiterates the challenge of detecting small deviations in the expected curve shape due to noise, especially when the inner planet is small.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of resonance effects and the ability to distinguish between different orbital configurations. There is no consensus on how to clearly identify multiple planets in certain scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their explanations, including the complexity of the mathematical models involved and the potential for noise to obscure small deviations in the data.

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How do we detect if there is more than 1 exoplanet orbiting a star using radial velocity method?

I read this but I didnt understand it. Can someone explain the answer in Laymans terms?

"Multiple planets will cause a stars radial velocity curve to show two periods: a long gradual change due to the outer planet, and a shorter, sharper change due to the inner planet. The two periods are superimposed on each other, giving the radial velocity curve a complex shape".
 
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Imagine there's just a single planet in a circular orbit. It and the star both orbit their mutual centre of mass, and the motion of the star causes variations in detected light wavelengths due to Doppler shift. This let's you calculate the radial velocity.
If you draw a graph of the star velocity against time, in the case above you'd get a sinusoid with the period reflecting that of the planet's orbital period.

Now, imagine another planet, with a different orbital period. If, again, it were the only planet, it'd generate another sinusoid, but with a different period(and depending on mass - amplitude).

With both the planets present, you'd have a velocity graph that represents both of the graphs superimposed, like so:
sinfreq.gif

As with any other function addition, you just take the value(V) of the first one at any given time, and add it to the value of the second one at that time, and plot the result on a new graph.

The more planets you add, the more complex the resulting function becomes. This one is for a simulated system resembling that of Jupiter and its Galilean moons:
challenge3.4.jpg


Elliptical orbits produce a somewhat different velocity graph than a simple sine function, but the principle is the same.

How the detection process works, is you draw the function* from observations, and then try to construct such a model of the system that would result in matching the graph. You try to figure out how many, how large, and how distant planets you need to add for all of their contributions to add up to what you see.

*that's not entirely accurate, but let's not get into details
 
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Note that if the periods are in 1:2 resonance, the resulting orbit is hard to distinguish from a single planet on an elliptical orbit.
 
snorkack said:
Note that if the periods are in 1:2 resonance, the resulting orbit is hard to distinguish from a single planet on an elliptical orbit.
Care to explain? I thought the first picture in post #2 represented two planets in 1:2 resonance?
 
Bandersnatch said:
Care to explain? I thought the first picture in post #2 represented two planets in 1:2 resonance?
Like this:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.1275v2.pdf
for example see Figure 2, page 19, and Figure 4, page 21. The second sinusoid shows itself as sharpening one peak and flattening the opposite maximum - if the inner planet is small enough, not even a secondary maximum curvature - and that´s roughly what orbital eccentricity would show. Small deviations from the expected mathematical curve shape are lost in the noise.
 

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