Determine the images of the functions f: R -> R....?

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The discussion focuses on determining the images of two functions defined from the real numbers to the real numbers: a) f(x) = x^2/(1+x^2) and b) f(x) = x/(1+|x|). Participants explore the conditions under which these functions can take on certain values, examining the implications of their definitions and behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for f(x) = x^2/(1+x^2), since b = x^2/(1+x^2), it follows that b >= 0, questioning if this means the image of f is b >= 0.
  • Another participant agrees that b >= 0 but points out that the converse does not hold, noting that b < 1 due to the numerator being smaller than the denominator, and questions if b can take any value between 0 and 1.
  • For f(x) = x/(1+|x|), it is noted that |f(x)| < 1, leading to the conclusion that -1 < f(x) < 1, and the odd nature of the function is mentioned, suggesting that it suffices to analyze its behavior for x > 0.
  • Participants discuss whether f(x) can assume any value between 0 and 1 for the second function, and whether the image can be expressed as -1 < f(x) < 1.
  • One participant confirms the earlier points, suggesting the use of f(x) instead of b for clarity in the first function's image description.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the range of values for the images of the functions, with some uncertainty remaining about the specific values that can be assumed, particularly for the first function. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints and interpretations regarding the images of both functions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific values that the images can take, particularly regarding the behavior of the functions as x approaches different limits.

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Determine the images of functions f: R -> R defined as follows:
a) f(x) = x^2/(1+x^2)
b) f(x) = x/(1+|x|)

I have no idea if I am doing it right but this is what I did for a):

The two sets:
f: A -> B
The image of f is the set b ∈ B such that f(x) = b has a solution.
Since f(x) = x^2/(1+x^2) and f(x) = b, we have b = x^2/(1+x^2).
Then, b(1+x^2) = x^2.
For this to be true b >= 0. So, does that mean the image of f is b>=0? If so, is there anything more I need to show?
 
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rayne said:
Since f(x) = x^2/(1+x^2) and f(x) = b, we have b = x^2/(1+x^2).
Then, b(1+x^2) = x^2.
For this to be true b >= 0. So, does that mean the image of f is b>=0?
You are right that $b=x^2/(1+x^2)$ implies $b\ge0$, but the converse implication does not always hold. In $x^2/(1+x^2)$, the numerator is smaller than the denominator, so $b<1$. Consider small $x$ and large $x$. Can $b$ assume any value between $0$ and $1$?

For $f(x)=x/(1+|x|)$, one can see similarly that $|x|<1+|x|$, so $|f(x)|=|x|/(1+|x|)<1$, which means that $-1<f(x)<1$. Note that $f(x)$ is odd, i.e., $f(x)=-f(-x)$, so it's enough to study its behavior when $x>0$. Can $f(x)$ assume any value between 0 and 1 (and therefore between $-1$ and $1$?
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
You are right that $b=x^2/(1+x^2)$ implies $b\ge0$, but the converse implication does not always hold. In $x^2/(1+x^2)$, the numerator is smaller than the denominator, so $b<1$. Consider small $x$ and large $x$. Can $b$ assume any value between $0$ and $1$?

For $f(x)=x/(1+|x|)$, one can see similarly that $|x|<1+|x|$, so $|f(x)|=|x|/(1+|x|)<1$, which means that $-1<f(x)<1$. Note that $f(x)$ is odd, i.e., $f(x)=-f(-x)$, so it's enough to study its behavior when $x>0$. Can $f(x)$ assume any value between 0 and 1 (and therefore between $-1$ and $1$?

So for a) it's 0 <= b < 1 and for b) the image can just be written as -1 < f(x) < 1?
 
rayne said:
So for a) it's 0 <= b < 1 and for b) the image can just be written as -1 < f(x) < 1?
Yes. I would use $f(x)$ instead of $b$ for a) as well.
 

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