Determine the largest current the generator can produce

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The problem involves a 120-V generator powered by a windmill with blades 2.0 m long, where the wind speed decreases from 12 m/s to 7 m/s. Participants are exploring how to calculate the largest current the generator can produce based on the energy lost by the wind.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the wind's kinetic energy and the electrical energy produced by the generator. There is a focus on whether to consider the change in velocity and how to apply the relevant equations correctly.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on considering the power of the wind before and after it interacts with the blades, while others are clarifying the use of diameter versus radius in calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of equations and assumptions related to the problem.

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Participants are navigating the implications of assuming no losses in the system and are questioning the definitions and measurements related to the windmill's dimensions.

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Homework Statement


A 120-V generator is run by a windmill that has blades 2.0 m long. The wind, moving at 12 m/ s, is slowed to 7.0 m/ s after passing the windmill. The density of air is 1.29 kg/ m3. If the system has no losses, what is the largest current the generator can produce? [Hint: How much energy does the wind lose per second?]

Homework Equations


P=(1/8)(density)(pi)(diameter)^2(v)^3
P=(V)(I)
Speed=Distance/Time

The Attempt at a Solution


I need to figure out the speed of the windmill. Can I determine the speed of the windmill by figuring out how much time it takes to change the speed of the wind? I want to make sure my logic is correct.
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Vladi said:
I need to figure out the speed of the windmill
Actually, you don't. The problem says the system has no losses so the change in the kinetic energy of the wind is the energy that the generator will produce.
 
Ahh.
NFuller said:
Actually, you don't. The problem says the system has no losses so the change in the kinetic energy of the wind is the energy that the generator will produce.
You're saying that the wind turbine converted the wind's kinetic energy into electrical energy, which makes perfect sense. The wind is spinning the blades after all. Does this mean that I must include the change in velocity within the equation?
(1/8)(1.29 kg/m^3)(pi)(2 m)^2(12 m/s-7 m/s)^3=120 volts*(I)
---->I=2.1 Amps
The largest current the generator can produce is 2.1 amps.
 
Vladi said:
You're saying that the wind turbine converted the wind's kinetic energy into electrical energy, which makes perfect sense. The wind is spinning the blades after all. Does this mean that I must include the change in velocity within the equation?
(1/8)(1.29 kg/m^3)(pi)(2 m)^2(12 m/s-7 m/s)^3=120 volts*(I)
---->I=2.1 Amps
Almost. Consider the power of the wind before and after it encounters the blades separately; don't just take the velocity difference. That is, ##(V_1^3 - V_2^3) \ne (V_1 - V_2)^3##.

Also, your relevant equation for the power associated with the moving air uses the diameter of the cross section. You're given the individual blade length. Is the blade length the same as the diameter of the area swept out by the blades?
 
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gneill said:
Almost. Consider the power of the wind before and after it encounters the blades separately; don't just take the velocity difference. That is, ##(V_1^3 - V_2^3) \ne (V_1 - V_2)^3##.

Also, your relevant equation for the power associated with the moving air uses the diameter of the cross section. You're given the individual blade length. Is the blade length the same as the diameter of the area swept out by the blades?
You're saying the diameter should be 4 meters. I shouldn't be using the radius.
I got the equation from the following derivation:
P = 1/2 ρ A v^3 = (1/8)(p)(pi)(d)^2(v)^3
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Yes, this looks right.
 
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NFuller said:
Yes, this looks right.
Thank you for all your help.
 
I still not
NFuller said:
Yes, this looks right.
I still not get it wright sir, I will be glad if you can elaborate it more
 
I still not
NFuller said:
Yes, this looks right.
I still not get it wright sir, I will be glad if you can elaborate it mo
 

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