Determine the length of the curve sin(x)

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The discussion revolves around determining the length of the curve defined by the function sin(x) over the interval from x=0 to 2π. It includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of integration techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the measure of the sin(x) wave from x=0 to 2π.
  • Another participant provides the integral formula for the length of the curve, \(\int^{2\pi}_0\sqrt{\cos(x)^2+1} dx\).
  • A participant questions whether a table of integrals is necessary to find the numerical value of the integral.
  • One participant explains the formula for the length of the graph of y=f(x) and notes that it leads to an integral that resembles an elliptical integral, which may not be solvable in terms of elementary functions.
  • Another participant confirms that the integral can be expressed as \(4\sqrt{2}E(1/2)\), referring to the complete elliptical integral of the second kind.
  • A suggestion is made to use numerical integration methods, such as Simpson's rule, to obtain a numerical value, comparing it to finding the area under a curve.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the solvability of the integral in terms of elementary functions, with some agreeing on its complexity while others suggest numerical methods as viable alternatives. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to find a numerical value.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of numerical methods and the specific properties of elliptical integrals. The discussion does not clarify the limitations of the proposed methods or the definitions involved.

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What is the measure of the sin(x) wave for x=0 to 2∏?
 
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It's [tex]\int^{2\pi}_0\sqrt{\cos(x)^2+1} dx[/tex]
 
That's what I got. Would one need a table of integrals to determine its numerical value?
 
Pretty straight forward, isn't it? Considering the other problems you have posted on here, you should be able to do this.

The length of the graph of y= f(x), from x= a to x= b, is given by
[tex]\int_{x=a}^b \sqrt{1+ f'(x)^2}dx[/tex]
With y= f(x)= sin(x), f'(x)= cos(x) so that becomes
[tex]\int_{x=0}^{2\pi} \sqrt{1+ cos^2(x)}dx[/tex]
However, that looks to me like a version of an elliptical integral which cannot be done in terms of elementary functions.

Hey, no fair posting while I'm typing!
 
HallsofIvy said:
However, that looks to me like a version of an elliptical integral which cannot be done in terms of elementary functions.
Yep. It's 4√2E(1/2), where E(x) is the complete elliptical integral of the second kind.
 
to get a numerical value try numerical integration, simpson's rule? etc...

this is no worse than finding the area under the curve from 0 to 1. i.e. both are approximations.(nobody knows what cos(1) is.)
 

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