Determine the particles most probable position

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The discussion revolves around determining the most probable position of a particle described by a wave function in quantum mechanics. The original poster attempts to calculate the expected value using an integral involving the wave function and its conjugate, but encounters an undefined result. The context involves the wave function for a particle in one dimension, specifically for positive and negative values of x.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the expected value and the interpretation of the wave function's conjugate. Questions arise about the definition and properties of the conjugate, as well as the distinction between expected value and most probable position. There is also exploration of the probability density derived from the wave function.

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Participants have provided guidance on the distinction between expected value and most probable position, noting that the maximum of the probability density is what is sought. Some have successfully recalculated using the probability density and confirmed correct results, while others are still clarifying concepts related to the conjugate of the wave function.

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There are discussions about the nature of the wave function and its conjugate, as well as the implications of real versus imaginary components in the calculations. The original poster's confusion about the expected value versus the most probable position highlights the need for clarity in definitions and assumptions in quantum mechanics.

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Homework Statement
x > 0:
$$\Psi(x) = 2\sqrt{a^3}xe^{-ax}$$

x < 0:
$$\Psi(x) = 0$$
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To get expected value I use
$$E = \int \Psi^* Q \Psi dx$$
where Q = x

$$4a^3 \int xe^{ax} \cdot x \cdot xe^{-ax} dx = 4a^3 \int_0^{\inf} x^3 dx$$
which is undefined.

But the answer is suppose to be 1/a.
 
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Addez123 said:
Homework Statement:: x > 0:
$$\Psi(x) = 2\sqrt{a^3}xe^{-ax}$$

x < 0:
$$\Psi(x) = 0$$
Relevant Equations:: Physics

To get expected value I use
$$E = \int \Psi^* Q \Psi dx$$
where Q = x

$$4a^3 \int xe^{ax} \cdot x \cdot xe^{-ax} dx = 4a^3 \int_0^{\inf} x^3 dx$$
which is undefined.

But the answer is suppose to be 1/a.
What is ##\Psi ^*## again? (Hint: a is real.)

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
What is ##\Psi ^*## again? (Hint: a is real.)

-Dan
Isn't the conjugate simply reversing the minus sign on the exponential?
Conjugate of ##xe^{-iax}## is ##xe^{iax}## according to wolfram alpha too.
 
Addez123 said:
Isn't the conjugate simply reversing the minus sign on the exponential?
Conjugate of ##xe^{-iax}## is ##xe^{iax}## according to wolfram alpha too.
The argument of your exponential is -ax, not -iax.

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
The argument of your exponential is -ax, not -iax.

-Dan
That is true!
So since it has no imaginary part the conjugate is simply itself? No changes?
 
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Addez123 said:
That is true!
So since it has no imaginary part the conjugate is simply itself? No changes?
If a is real then ##a = a + 0i##. So ##a^* = a - 0i = a##.

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
If a is real then ##a = a + 0i##. So ##a^* = a - 0i = a##.

-Dan
Great!

But I still get the wrong answer.
$$4a^3 \int_0^{inf} x^3 \cdot e^{-2ax} = 4a^3 \cdot \frac {3}{8a^4} = \frac {3}{2a}$$
not 1/a as the answer suggests.
 
Addez123 said:
Great!

But I still get the wrong answer.
$$4a^3 \int_0^{inf} x^3 \cdot e^{-2ax} = 4a^3 \cdot \frac {3}{8a^4} = \frac {3}{2a}$$
not 1/a as the answer suggests.
Ahhhh... I see the problem now.

You are looking for the most probable position. The expectation value is the average position.

What you want to do is find the where the maximum value of the probability density ##\Psi ^* \Psi## is.

-Dan
 
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Note that for a non-negative real-valued function ##|\Psi(x)|^2## is a maximum at ##x_0## iff ##\Psi(x)## is a maximum at ##x_0##.
 
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PeroK said:
Note that for a non-negative real-valued function ##|\Psi(x)|^2## is a maximum at ##x_0## iff ##\Psi(x)## is a maximum at ##x_0##.
Good tip! I solved the ##\Psi^* \Psi## and got correct value though. Solved it again with your solution and it gave correct result too!
 
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Addez123 said:
Good tip! I solved the ##\Psi^* \Psi## and got correct value though. Solved it again with your solution and it gave correct result too!
It's a good trick. In this case it doesn't save much algebra, but sometimes it can make things a lot simpler.
 
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