News Did I Vote for GWB for the Right Reasons?

[tumor]

Are you seriously trying to say that we shouldn't have gotten involved in World War II? So if Country X bombs our shipyard and kills thousands of our soldiers, it is immoral and unjustifiable for us to defend ourselves, but, if our own country is taxing us too much and telling us not to kill Indians, we should be free to start a Civil War? From almost any objective standpoint, World War II was much more justifiable than the Revolutionary War.

~Lyuokdea

WW2 and American involvement is v. complex issue,but we could have avoided it completelly.
Remember that USA and other western countries started Asian colonization by hummiliating Chinese people and all other Asians,Japan was almost colonized.
But years before WW2, USA was very aggressive in capturing most valuable assets in Asia(oil fields)right on the door steeps of Japan.Japan having at that time also colonnial interests felt some insecurity.Having big military Japanese felt this area should be under their conntrol or at least some influence(oil started to be strategic asset) USA pursuing politics of expansionism sooner or later was asking for trouble ,war was inevitable.


PS I'm thankfull for never to learn USA history from official dep. of education books.Otherwise I also would think naively that USA is shining light unto the World, innocent and peacfull nation.

 

[franznietzsche]

WW2 and American involvement is v. complex issue,but we could have avoided it completelly.
Remember that USA and other western countries started Asian colonization by hummiliating Chinese people and all other Asians,Japan was almost colonized.
But years before WW2, USA was very aggressive in capturing most valuable assets in Asia(oil fields)right on the door steeps of Japan.Japan having at that time also colonnial interests felt some insecurity.Having big military Japanese felt this area should be under their conntrol or at least some influence(oil started to be strategic asset) USA pursuing politics of expansionism sooner or later was asking for trouble ,war was inevitable.


PS I'm thankfull for never to learn USA history from official dep. of education books.Otherwise I also would think naively that USA is shining light unto the World, innocent and peacfull nation.

I read those books, but i don't remember learning that.

Of course we're an imperialist power. Of course we're out for our own self-interest. How naive do you have to be to think otherwise.

 

[Smurf]

Japan was coerced into attacking America by Roosevelt who had been imposing many demands and regulations on them, Japan either had to go to war with America or its economy would collapse, Roosevelt knew this, both sides knew wae was inevitable (which is what roosevelt wanted - he'd been trying for ages to get congress to agree to go to war in Europe).

 

[franznietzsche]

Japan was coerced into attacking America by Roosevelt who had been imposing many demands and regulations on them, Japan either had to go to war with America or its economy would collapse, Roosevelt knew this, both sides knew wae was inevitable (which is what roosevelt wanted - he'd been trying for ages to get congress to agree to go to war in Europe).

Coerced...yes...that's right. Thank god you can't vote here.

 

[Smurf]

Because my voting would count a whole 0.001% of the whole election, that is if it wasn't a rigged 2 party system run by Exxon.

 

[franznietzsche]

Ah, the disenfranchisment of the individual voter. I bask in its power...Nexxon?

 

[Smurf]

Thats Exxon, sorry
http://www.disinfotainmenttoday.com/exxon.jpg

It's kinda like that

 

[franznietzsche]

His name IS Vice President Haliburton, dag gummit!

 

[TENYEARS]

I think it is very important that as a society we agree that understanding is not forgiveness! And this is where I think a lot of you and I differ on opinions.

Just to be clear:

Innate causation is not nor will it ever be a worthy excuse for someone’s actions!

I do believe in having a social safety net to help people when they are down but that is not the same as supporting a family of three for 15 or more years. For that there is no excuse. I believe in helping people with education but not the same way you do. I believe in helping people deal with their problems in life but I do not believe giving them a free ride as I think think this is nothing more than enabling them to continue antisocial behavior.

People need to take responsibility for there actions and the people who are responsible should not be punished for being responsible. Taxing people for being successful is socialism and unfair and detrimental to the well being of society overall. That is why I reject Kerry...and no I do not like Bush but there is no way the Libertarian party could win so what choices do I have? Neither the democrats nor the republicans stand for what I believe in as I believe in more personal freedoms and support the idea of letting gay people have the same rights as heterosexual people. But voting for Kerry would not have changed society’s perception on this, but it would have increased unfair taxes that would have gone to social projects that would have failed.

Look, if you want to support socialism fine, I can understand and respect that. So why is it that you people cannot understand and accept who I support or who someone else supports? I think it is funny that liberals want to FORCE their belief system down people’s throats. I will tell you now, the more you push the harder you will be pushed back! And I can tell you also that I do not believe in giving my opponents a fair fight so if you believe that it’s just a pure numbers game that will eventually turn around you will lose every time. As minority groups gain wealth they will want to protect it and begin to see that the socialist perspective is all about the redistribution of wealth from who ever the haves are, to who ever the have nots are that that time.


Regards

You fool not that Mr Kerry was a wonderful choice, the president of the United States has comprimised the soul of america. He knew of 9/11. He was not the archietect, but he knew. The second the election was stolen from Gore and it was stolen. This is the forum of the blind, country of the blind world of the blind. You take what is easy you go with the toxic flow. You have no choice if you know it or not but the law of causality the law of physics is still intact. Every act has a price and that price will be paid. FOOlS All of you. Dam you dam you all for your unconciousness. Dam the fact that I must see and be a witness to it. IDIOT. All of you. It is not about the so called human selected, it is about the pushiing a lever of unconciousness towards a bitter end. I can and do see the future you fool. America will pay a teribble price for it's indescriessions. To make this new world order, for power, for money. Would the world be better off without humans just trees and animals which live in a more balanced perpetuation. Would it be that there be no intelligence left. lol lol lol lol lol lol

All that would be left would be intelligence. Fools. Humans are less than nothing for the madness they do. There is only one way out and dieing is not it. Lol You fools.

 

[Townsend]

You fool not that Mr Kerry was a wonderful choice, the president of the United States has comprimised the soul of america. He knew of 9/11. He was not the archietect, but he knew. The second the election was stolen from Gore and it was stolen. This is the forum of the blind, country of the blind world of the blind. You take what is easy you go with the toxic flow. You have no choice if you know it or not but the law of causality the law of physics is still intact. Every act has a price and that price will be paid. FOOlS All of you. Dam you dam you all for your unconciousness. Dam the fact that I must see and be a witness to it. IDIOT. All of you. It is not about the so called human selected, it is about the pushiing a lever of unconciousness towards a bitter end. I can and do see the future you fool. America will pay a teribble price for it's indescriessions. To make this new world order, for power, for money. Would the world be better off without humans just trees and animals which live in a more balanced perpetuation. Would it be that there be no intelligence left. lol lol lol lol lol lol

All that would be left would be intelligence. Fools. Humans are less than nothing for the madness they do. There is only one way out and dieing is not it. Lol You fools.

This is the reason that this forum needs an ignore feature. I have wasted too much time on this kind of thing and do not wish to waste future time reading thoughtless diatribe. Its too bad, really, cause there are a lot of people here who actually have some very good and interesting points. The problem is that for every few good post there is one like this and it really ruins everything else.

Regards

 

[TENYEARS]

Do you want speach or do you want reality? You voted for a man that allowed three thousand people to die for a greater cause in his warped mind. I was there that day, I witnessed the event 8 years prior in a vision. You have no idea you fool. You voted for a man who assisted in the death of three thousand people. Yes Yes

Reminds me of something though. An afterschool special over 20 years old. An aswsome one. I posted this on the old forum I think. A sociology teacher got the children together in a group for a common cause. It was an "experimental group". The group grew and all supported the cause. Those who spoke against the group were turned towards it. The group grew large and wide. Then those who spoke against it began to get hurt. There were a few who would not partake. They watched and thought it was wrong. Finally the day came when they were to meet their leader who was to consolidate all of the groups of children across the country. For the teacher told them this was happening in countless schools across the country. They gathered in the school gym and the chanting began where is our leader, or something to that affect. Finally a video began to play and they met their leader. Adolf Hitler. The whole gym burst into massive tears as they cried. And so will be that day for you.

I don't know who you think I am, but I tell you this. I know what I know and there will be few people in your life if any that will equal what I know. Not because others can't but because they don't. Credit or cash very few take the option of a prepayment plan in this day and age.

 

[Lyuokdea]

I was there that day, I witnessed the event 8 years prior in a vision.

In the immortal words of TENYEARS:

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Why then, did you not act to stop it?

 

[TENYEARS]

I did not know it was the towers themselves but I did see many other aspects of what would happen what did happen and my role in it. It all happened as I knew it would. I lived in fear of it for 8 years and it almost made me go off the deep end four years after I had the vision. I don't lie. People are so accustomed to hearing lies, to hearing egoistic fools, hearing people that just want to speak, hearing those that would decieve you for their person gain, you would not know the truth if you tripped over it a thousand times. Would any be interested in truth? No because truth surrounds you and you see it not.