Difference between a vector space and a field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between vector spaces and fields, exploring definitions and properties of each. Participants examine whether the definition of a vector space is circular and the implications of fields being considered as vector spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a vector space is defined as a set of objects that can undergo algebraic laws "over" a field of scalars, questioning if this implies that fields are also vector spaces.
  • Another participant agrees that every field can be viewed as a vector space over itself or its subfields, but emphasizes that not all vector spaces are fields due to the lack of a requirement for multiplication of elements within a vector space.
  • A participant challenges the notion of circular logic in the definition of vector spaces, asserting that while it may seem redundant, it is not circular since vector spaces can consist of elements distinct from the field.
  • It is mentioned that defining a field as a vector space over itself is possible but not commonly practiced, as it does not yield new insights, with the dimension being 1 in such cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that fields can be considered vector spaces over themselves, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of this relationship and whether it leads to circular reasoning in the definition of vector spaces.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in definitions and the conditions under which vector spaces and fields are related, without resolving these nuances.

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One book defined a vector space as a set of objects that can undergo the laws of algebra "over" the field of scalars. But doesn't the laws of algebra also hold in a field? If so, wouldn't a field be a vector space also? Wouldn't that make the definition of a vector space meaningless as it uses circular logic?
 
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That's a good observation. Every field is in fact a vector space over itself or over any of its subfields. But of course the converse isn't true, i.e. there are vector spaces which aren't fields. The reason being that while in a field you must be able to "multiply" the elements together (and not just multiply by scalars), there is no such requirement in a vector space.
 
torquerotates said:
One book defined a vector space as a set of objects that can undergo the laws of algebra "over" the field of scalars. But doesn't the laws of algebra also hold in a field?

Presumably, but it is slightly ambiguous phrase.

If so, wouldn't a field be a vector space also? Wouldn't that make the definition of a vector space meaningless as it uses circular logic?

No, there is nothing circular, and it certainly isn't circular logic. At worst it would be 'redundant', but since vector spaces are not fields it isn't.
 
Given a field, F, you certainly can define F to be a vector space over itself. That's not often done because you don't learn anything new. The dimension would, of course, be 1.

However, since the definition of "vector space" allows for the vectors to be different from the underlying field, no, the definition is not circular.
 

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