Difference between Dark Energy and Cosmological Constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the differences between Dark Energy (DE) and the Cosmological Constant (\Lambda), exploring their roles in the context of the accelerated expansion of the universe. Participants reference a specific paper that suggests potential modifications to General Relativity (GR) as an explanation for this phenomenon.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Dark Energy refers to the unknown cause of accelerated expansion, while the Cosmological Constant is a specific model for Dark Energy.
  • It is suggested that Dark Energy with w = -1 behaves similarly to the Cosmological Constant in Einstein's field equations.
  • Others argue that the conclusion of the referenced paper indicates a tentative signal suggesting that the explanation for accelerated expansion may involve modified gravity rather than just \Lambda.
  • There is a discussion about the evolution of the equation of state parameter, w, with redshift, which some participants believe is inconsistent with the Cosmological Constant.
  • Some participants clarify that the paper's author may be using a different parameterization of gravity, rather than suggesting a matter/energy component with w different from -1.
  • Concerns are raised about the definitions of Dark Energy, with some using it to refer to all models describable by a function w(a) within GR, while others use it to mean any cause of apparent acceleration.
  • Participants discuss potential sources of error in the analysis presented in the paper, including issues with photometric redshifts and galaxy bias.
  • There is skepticism regarding the robustness of the findings due to the challenges associated with the analysis, particularly given that it is a single-author paper.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of Dark Energy and the Cosmological Constant, with no consensus reached on the interpretations of the referenced paper or the validity of its conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for catastrophic errors in photometric redshifts, uncertainties in galaxy bias, and the complexities of weak lensing analyses. The discussion highlights the need for careful evaluation of the methods used in the referenced study.

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Can someone remind me what the difference between the Cosmological Constant ([itex]\Lambda[/itex]) and Dark Energy (DE)? Doesn't DE (with w = -1) show up in the Einstein's field equations in exactly the same way as [itex]\Lambda[/itex] does?

(In case your an expert, I was trying to understand the conclusion of http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0909/0909.3853v1.pdf" paper)
 
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bombadil said:
Can someone remind me what the difference between the Cosmological Constant ([itex]\Lambda[/itex]) and Dark Energy (DE)? Doesn't DE (with w = -1) show up in the Einstein's field equations in exactly the same way as [itex]\Lambda[/itex] does?

(In case your an expert, I was trying to understand the conclusion of http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0909/0909.3853v1.pdf" paper)
"Dark Energy" basically means the (currently unknown) cause of the observed accelerated expansion. The cosmological constant is a specific proposal for what dark energy might be.

Dark energy with w = -1 is considered to be the exact same thing as the cosmological constant.

What they're saying in the conclusion there is that there's a tentative signal that may indicate that the correct explanation for the accelerated expansion may be modified gravity, as opposed to something like the cosmological constant or a scalar field.
 
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Chalnoth said:
What they're saying in the conclusion there is that there's a tentative signal that may indicate that the correct explanation for the accelerated expansion may be modified gravity, as opposed to something like the cosmological constant or a scalar field.

I don't think the author is claiming a detection of modified gravity. In the conclusion she says, "The COSMOS data gives the first signal that dark energy might be a modification to GR, rather than [itex]\Lambda[/itex]." I'm guessing she's saying that the equation of state parameter, w, evolves with redshift, which is inconsistent with [itex]\Lambda[/itex].
 
bombadil said:
I don't think the author is claiming a detection of modified gravity. In the conclusion she says, "The COSMOS data gives the first signal that dark energy might be a modification to GR, rather than [itex]\Lambda[/itex]." I'm guessing she's saying that the equation of state parameter, w, evolves with redshift, which is inconsistent with [itex]\Lambda[/itex].
No, she's using a different parameterization of gravity itself, not of some matter/energy with w different than -1. Weak lensing constrains possible deviations from General Relativity by carefully tracing the growth of structure, as there are specific relations that GR must follow, whether or not there is some form of matter out there with w < -1/3 (w < -1/3 is required to explain the observed acceleration).
 
Chalnoth said:
No, she's using a different parameterization of gravity itself, not of some matter/energy with w different than -1. Weak lensing constrains possible deviations from General Relativity by carefully tracing the growth of structure, as there are specific relations that GR must follow, whether or not there is some form of matter out there with w < -1/3 (w < -1/3 is required to explain the observed acceleration).

Exactly right. There are relationships that must hold between the distance history and structure formation if GR is correct. This study is probing those relationships, not w itself as such.

There is a slight problem that some people use the term 'dark energy' to mean 'all models than can be described by some function w(a) within GR' while others use it more broadly to mean 'whatever is causing the apparent acceleration'. The author is this paper is clearly using the latter definition when saying "The COSMOS data gives the first signal that dark energy might be a modification to GR, rather than [tex]\Lambda[/tex]".

It is a very interesting paper that is sure to provoke similar studies with other data sets, but I suspect there won't be many people convienced by the results just yet.
 
Oops, you both are totally correct, thanks for the help. This looks like an exciting way of investigating the cosmological constant vs modified GR. What would you guess is the largest cause of error? Photometric redshifts used for weak lensing? Or is the statistical analysis itself really tricky?
 
bombadil said:
Oops, you both are totally correct, thanks for the help. This looks like an exciting way of investigating the cosmological constant vs modified GR. What would you guess is the largest cause of error? Photometric redshifts used for weak lensing? Or is the statistical analysis itself really tricky?
Photometric redshifts can have catastrophic errors (e.g. you can classify a z=1 galaxy as a z=4 galaxy, and vice versa), and so those need to be quantified. There's also problems with galaxy bias: we don't understand galaxies all that well, nor do we understand all that well how galaxies trace matter. So that's a difficulty that needs to be managed. Another problem is that interacting galaxies can "simulate" a weak lensing signal, because their axes will tend to be aligned (weak lensing analyses generally assume that galaxies are intrinsically uncorrelated).

These are all manageable, of course, but there is a fair amount of difficulty in doing it right. I didn't look closely at the paper, but as a single-author paper, my initial response would be to be a bit skeptical that it was all done well enough (just because it requires a good amount of work to do so). However, not having really read it, I can't actually place any judgment here, and it's a bit outside my area of expertise anyway, so I would trust my own evaluation too much even if I did read it in detail.
 

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