Difference between terminating and repeating decimals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the categorization and representation of terminating and repeating decimals, particularly in the context of rational numbers. Participants explore the implications of different bases on decimal representations and the uniqueness of these representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that both terminating and repeating decimals belong to the category of rational numbers.
  • It is noted that the decimal representation of rational numbers is not unique, with examples such as 1/2 being represented as 0.5 or 0.4999..., both representing the same value.
  • Participants discuss how the nature of a fraction's decimal representation (terminating or repeating) can depend on the base used, with examples provided for fractions like 1/3 in different bases.
  • One participant mentions that a fraction in lowest terms will terminate if its denominator consists only of powers of 2 and 5, otherwise it will repeat, highlighting this as an artifact of base 10.
  • Further elaboration is provided on how different bases affect which fractions are terminating, with specific references to base 3 and base 6.
  • A question is raised about the representation of the difference between 0.5 and 0.499..., leading to a clarification that this difference equals zero, which is represented uniquely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that both terminating and repeating decimals are rational numbers, but there is no consensus on the implications of base representation and the uniqueness of decimal forms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of decimal representation on the base used, and the potential confusion arising from different representations of the same rational number. There are also unresolved questions regarding the implications of these representations in practical applications, such as computing.

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Is a terminating decimal in a different category of number (in the way "real" or "natural" are categories) from a repeating decimal?
 
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Is a number with a terminating decimal in a different category of number (in the way "real" or "natural" are categories) from a number with a repeating decimal at the end ?

I would say no, both are rational numbers.
 
And to expand on what BvU said, the decimal representation of rational numbers is in general not unique. For example, the fraction 1/2 can be represented as 0.5 (terminating) or 0.4999... (repeating). Both forms represent exactly the same number.

Note that I am not saying that 0.5000 is the same as 0.4999. The ellipsis (...) that I included for 0.4999... signifies that the representation continues in the same pattern.
 
Also note that whether a fraction terminates or repeats depends on the base used. For example 1/3 in base 10 is 0.3333..., but 1/3 in base 12 is 0.4.
 
phyzguy said:
Also note that whether a fraction terminates or repeats depends on the base used. For example 1/3 in base 10 is 0.3333..., but 1/3 in base 12 is 0.4.
And in base 3, 1/3 is 0.1.

This might seem arcane to some, but it has ramifications in how computers do calculations. We, as humans, are very comfortable with decimal (base-10) fractions, especially in situations involving money, such as $5.53. Many decimal fractions such as 0.1, 0.2 and many others have termination representations in base 10, but have infinitely repeating forms in binary (base 2), which is predominantly used in computers for real number calculations. As fractions 1/5 + 1/5 + 1/5 + 1/5 + 1/5 = 1, but if we add .2 + .2 + .2 + .2 + .2 on a computer, the result is slightly different from 1.
 
A fraction (in lowest terms) with a denominator consisting only of powers of 2 and 5 will terminate, otherwise repeat. This is simply an artifact of base 10 for our numbers.
 
In base three only fractions whose denominator is a power of 3 are terminating "decimals" (triminals?).

In base six only fractions whose denominator is a product of powers of 3 and 2 are terminating "decimals".
 
Mark44 said:
And to expand on what BvU said, the decimal representation of rational numbers is in general not unique. For example, the fraction 1/2 can be represented as 0.5 (terminating) or 0.4999... (repeating). Both forms represent exactly the same number.

Note that I am not saying that 0.5000 is the same as 0.4999. The ellipsis (...) that I included for 0.4999... signifies that the representation continues in the same pattern.
How would you represent .5 minus .499... ? Is that done in two ways also?
 
Pjpic said:
How would you represent .5 minus .499... ? Is that done in two ways also?
It's very simple .5 - .499... = 0, exactly. There are not two ways to represent zero, unless you want to consider .000... as somehow different from just plain 0.
 

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