Different Type of Extension Problem for Groups

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of finding groups G in which finite groups H and K can be embedded as subgroups with trivial intersection, without requiring normality. It also explores the idea of considering isomorphic or equivalent extensions. The speaker suggests that the solution to the problem could involve examining how the subgroup operates on the normal subgroup and mentions the possibility of using different automorphisms to create different examples. The direct product is mentioned as a possible solution. The speaker also wonders if this is an established theory.
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Let H, K be finite groups.

Instead of asking what groups G there are such that K can be embedded as a normal subroup and G/K is isomorphic with H (the usual extension problem for groups), I've been thinking about the following:

Which groups G exist such that H and K can be embedded as (not necessarily normal) subgroups such that G=HK where H and K have trivial intersection?

This neither contains nor is contained in the usual extension problem since there there is no requirement for the normal subgroup to have a complement, and here we don't require any of the factors to be normal.

Clearly for a given G with relevant subgroups identified, there exist cases where we could replace one of the subgroups by a conjugate (e.g. the complement of a semidirect product). Perhaps we could even do the same with an isomorphic non-conjugate. This leads me to think that perhaps some of these 'extensions' should be in some sense 'isomorphic' or 'equivalent'.

I guess my first question before I go any further is is this already an established theory? (It must be.)
 
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If you start with ##H,K## and build ##G=HK## then ##G\cong H \times K## will do and solve your problem. In all other cases, the real question is how the subgroup operates on the normal subgroup. Any different automorphism results in a different example. The direct product is the trivial automorphism which always works.
 

1. What is a group extension problem?

A group extension problem is a mathematical problem that involves finding a group that contains a given group as a subgroup. It is a way to construct new groups by combining known groups, and it is an important concept in group theory.

2. What are the different types of group extension problems?

There are three main types of group extension problems: central, semi-direct, and wreath. In central extensions, the given group is a normal subgroup of the new group. In semi-direct extensions, the given group is a subgroup that is not necessarily normal. Wreath extensions combine two groups, one acting on the other.

3. What is the significance of group extension problems?

Group extension problems have important applications in abstract algebra, number theory, and geometry. They also help to classify groups and understand their structure. Additionally, group extensions are used in cryptography and coding theory.

4. How are group extension problems solved?

Solving group extension problems involves finding a suitable group that satisfies certain conditions. This can be done through various techniques, such as constructing a group presentation, using group cohomology, or using representation theory.

5. What are some real-life examples of group extension problems?

Group extension problems can be seen in various areas of science and engineering, such as in the study of crystal structures, molecular symmetry, and particle physics. They can also be used in the design of error-correcting codes for communication systems.

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