Differential equation tank problem

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation problem involving the volume of water in a conical tank over time, with a focus on the relationship between volume, height, and surface area. Participants explore the implications of evaporation on the height of the water and how to express these relationships mathematically.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jacob seeks assistance in finding the volume of water in a conical tank as a function of time, given specific dimensions and initial conditions.
  • Some participants propose a general relation for the volume of a cone, V = (1/3)πr²h, and question how to relate this to the area of the base.
  • Another participant provides a derived formula for volume, V = (1/48)πh³, and surface area, A = (1/16)πh², but expresses uncertainty about how to relate these to time.
  • There is confusion regarding the initial conditions of the height of the water, particularly how the height can increase if evaporation is occurring.
  • A participant clarifies that the conical tank has a specific ratio of radius to height, leading to a derived relationship between volume and height, and suggests a method to express height as a function of time.
  • Jacob corrects the initial conditions, stating that h(0) should be 4 instead of 0, prompting further discussion on the implications of this correction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the initial conditions and the relationship between height and evaporation. There is no consensus on how to effectively model the situation or resolve the apparent contradictions in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the relationship between height and evaporation, as well as the mathematical steps needed to connect volume and time. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the initial conditions and their impact on the model.

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I need to find the volume of water in a conical tank as a function of time. I am given that the cone is standing on its point.
The radius at the top of the cone is 1m and the height of the cone is 4m.
The height of the water initially is h(0)=0 and h(2)=3.
I am also told that the top of the cone is open and we are to assume that the water evaporates according to the following model:dV/dt=kA where k is a constant of proportionality and A is the exposed surface area.

I think I am stuck because I am used to working with things likeV'=kV and in the above model we have V's and A's. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jacob
 
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Given a cone, can you find a relation between its volume and the area of its base?
 
I did that... V=1/48pi(h^3) and A=1/16pi(h^2). But I don't know how to put these in terms of t...
 
I was looking for the more general relation, V = \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h. Can you "find" the area in that?

The height of the water initially is h(0)=0 and h(2)=3.
I'm not sure I understand that. How can the height of the water increase if we are supposed to assume that water is evaporating??
 
Neutrino, the conical tank has radius 1/4 the height. The cone of water at each level will also have radius 1/4 the height. In that case, V= \frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h becomes V=\frac{1}{3}\frac{1}{16}\pi h^2 h= \frac{1}{48}\pi h^3.
Differentiating that with respect to t gives
\frac{dV}{dt}= \frac{1}{16}\pi h^2 \frac{dh}{dt}
Of course the base area is A= \pi r^2= \frac{1}{16}\pi h^2.

Your \frac{dV}{dt}= kA becomes
\frac{1}{16}\pi h^2 \frac{dh}{dt}= \pi r^2= k\frac{1}{16}\pi h^2
which reduce to just \frac{dh}{dt}= k!
Solve that for h as a function of t and plug into V= \frac{1}{48}\pi h^3 to get V as a function of t.

(Like neutrino, I have no idea what you mean by "h(0)= 0 and h(2)= 3".)
 
h(0)=4... sorry, those were the initial conditions for the height of the water in the tank
 
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