Differential equation w/ cos and sin

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving the equation \( x^2 \cos y + \sin(3x-4y) = 3 \). Participants are exploring whether this equation qualifies as a differential equation and discussing methods for solving it, including the potential use of implicit differentiation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin solving the equation and requests assistance.
  • Another participant questions whether the equation is indeed a differential equation, suggesting it is a functional equation without derivatives.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous assertion that the equation is not a differential equation and suggests using trigonometric identities to simplify the equation.
  • A later reply proposes that if the goal is to find \(\frac{dy}{dx}\), implicit differentiation could be applied, providing a detailed differentiation process and suggesting algebraic manipulation to isolate \(\frac{dy}{dx}\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not agree on whether the equation is a differential equation or a functional equation, indicating a fundamental disagreement regarding the classification of the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the nature of the equation, and there are unresolved assumptions about the intended method of solution.

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It would be wonderful if someone could please help with the following question as I don't even know where to begin

y=y(x), where x^2 cos y + sin(3x-4y) =3Thank you :)
 
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Since you wrote "differential equation", I would like to ask whether you are sure this is indeed what you want to solve?

Namely, I would call this a purely functional equation, i.e. an equation involving an unknown function $y$ of $x$, but no derivatives of $y$.
 
As Krylov said, this is NOT a "differential equation". I would start by using trig identities to get every thing in terms of sine and cosine of y only together with sine and cosine of x.
 
Emjay said:
It would be wonderful if someone could please help with the following question as I don't even know where to begin

y=y(x), where x^2 cos y + sin(3x-4y) =3

... maybe you're looking to determine $\dfrac{dy}{dx}$ using implicit differentiation?

$\dfrac{d}{dx} \bigg[x^2 \cos{y} + \sin(3x-4y) =3 \bigg]$

product rule & chain rule ...

$-x^2\sin{y} \cdot \dfrac{dy}{dx} + 2x\cos{y} + \cos(3x-4y) \cdot \left(3 - 4\dfrac{dy}{dx}\right) = 0$

If my assumption is correct, then complete the algebra necessary to isolate $\dfrac{dy}{dx}$, if not ... oh well.
 

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